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Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester

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What is this discussion about? Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Car Comparisons, SUV

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#133 of 1581 Re: Bickering [ateixeira] by suvsearcher1

Apr 18, 2008 (3:48 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 18, 2008 9:08 am)
A couple of Mitsubishi fans are trolling the Subaru threads blasting the Forester, so that's why the tone has become so negative. Unless they are unhappy with their Outlanders, I have no idea why they'd be in a Forester thread in the first place, yet they are and they refuse to leave.
  
The same people are also in the Pilot vs. Tribeca vs. Murano vs. Highlander thread, again why are they even there? If a Mitsu were added to that topic, it would be the Endeavor anyway, not the Outlander.
  
These folks are baiting people to get in these arguments, and the tone inevitably goes bad.
 
I have to agree with you on this one. I have been following this forum for past one year and I have seen this attitude from some of the Mitsu fans. These people go and open threads comparing Outlander with X3 and RX350 and dissing other people's opinions. They try to bait you in a discussion and then start parroting about the fast key, paddle shifter, music server, 6 speed and so on but fail to understand that people might have different set of priorities. Some people will just not buy Outlander because of Mitsu's prior record and low resale no matter what and that is not going to change over night. Some people would have had good experience with a Honda and Toyota or a Ford and want to stick with that Or some people just do not care about the paddle shifters and fast key.
 
If these things things were so important to people then I would like to ask why are 2007 Outlanders still sitting in the dealer lots with dealers ready to sell it for nearly $4500 below invoice price. Obviously something is missing with the Outlander. Mitsubishi wanted to make a good small SUV and it did but still Outlander has to go a long way to become a mainstream SUV.

#134 of 1581 Re: Bickering [suvsearcher1] by rcpax

Apr 18, 2008 (5:29 pm)

Replying to: suvsearcher1 (Apr 18, 2008 3:48 pm)
Indeed it still has a long way to go, and fans, and I'd say that will include me, are giving the Outlander the exposure it needs (for free ). Sadly not too many people in the US realize the true value of the Outlander, or even consider Mitsubishi as an alternative, always overshadowed by Honda, and Toyota. Go to Europe, and the thing sells at a premium.
 
Some would even say it's pointless to be discussing the motorsports achievements of Mitsubishi, like the Lancer Evo helping Tommi Makinnen win the driver's title 4 times in a row, and the Pajero Evo winning the Dakar rally 7 times straight (beating Volkswagen and BMW by a stretch), 12 in total for the whole history of Dakar. But without the famed reliability of the Lancer Evolution winning all these rallies, I don't think there'd be too many enthusiasts wanting to buy the car.
 
The Outlander's poor sales is not a result of poor engineering or poor reliability. It's lack of exposure, and poor dealership support in some cases. Speaking for myself, having owned the Outlander 1 and a half years, I'd say I made the right choice. Subaru was of course in consideration while I was deciding, but I refuse to pay extra when I have a cheaper option that offers me what I needed a lot more extras.
 
It will take years before Mitsubishi's sales gets anywhere near its Japanese rivals in the American market, no arguments with that one. But makes you wonder why owners rate the Outlander much higher than owners of the 09 Forester do for the Forester.

#135 of 1581 Re: Bickering [rcpax] by acesoverkings

Apr 18, 2008 (7:12 pm)

Replying to: rcpax (Apr 18, 2008 5:29 pm)
It will take years before Mitsubishi's sales gets anywhere near its Japanese rivals in the American market, no arguments with that one. But makes you wonder why owners rate the Outlander much higher than owners of the 09 Forester do for the Forester.
 
I heavily considered the '08 Outlander before eventually selecting the '09 Forester. I agree that the Outlander appears to be an excellent value and has some fantastic features. I'm a huge fan of the hatch/tailgate combination -- brilliant idea. Rockford Fosgate stereo? Hell yes. Paddle Shifters -- gimmicky but fun. Ability to select the 4WD mode? Cool. 10 year warranty? Perfect.
 
Combined, the '07 and '08 Outlander have 133 reviews averaging out at 9.1 overall on Edmunds. Impressive.
 
The new Forester has 8 reviews. I hardly think that's a fair comparison. I won't even get into statistical significance, because I think it's plainly obvious that 8 data points isn't an adequate comparator. If there was only 1 review for the Forester that was a perfect 10, would that make it better than the 133 reviews averaging 9.1? I don't think so.
 
We'll need to give it a little time before you start pointing to Edmunds reviews as evidence of superiority either way.

#136 of 1581 0-60 times by biscuit_xls

Apr 18, 2008 (9:26 pm)

- First on the list. Good performance, the XT has great performance and will smoke all other CUVs in this class with a reported 5.3 to 60.

 
Where are you getting that 5.3 second number from? It seems unlikely that a 3440 lb CUV with a 4 speed automatic and 224 HP can get anywhere near that number.
 
The RAV4 has 269 HP and goes 0-60 in the 7 second range. It should take more than 300 HP to get a CUV under 6 seconds.
 
Either way, it's a CUV/people hauler not a dragster.

#137 of 1581 Re: Bickering [piast] by ateixeira

Apr 19, 2008 (6:02 am)

Replying to: piast (Apr 18, 2008 1:39 pm)
No, not you, but there are 2 Outlander fans in the Forester thread (why?).
 
One of them is also in the Tribeca/Pilot/Highlander/Murano threads. Those don't even compete with the Outlander. They are Endeavor competitors.
 
suvsearcher1 is telling me they are also in the X3 and RX350 threads. Sad.
 
rcpax wrote: "it's pointless to be discussing the motorsports achievements of Mitsubishi" yet a certain Outlander owner is doing exactly that in the TRIBECA thread. For cryin' out loud!
 
The previous Forester was an IIHS Top Safety Pick, so in in safety terms, it certainly was in the same league.

#138 of 1581 Re: Bickering [rcpax] by ateixeira

Apr 19, 2008 (6:13 am)

Replying to: rcpax (Apr 18, 2008 5:29 pm)
makes you wonder why owners rate the Outlander much higher than owners of the 09 Forester do for the Forester
 
Ballot stuffing?
 
But seriously, certain passionate owners? I think that's a good thing. And sharing your passion in a relevant place, like a public review of the Outlander, is the appropriate place to do so.
 
Not a Forester thread. Not in Tribeca/Murano/Highlander/Pilot thread. Not in BMW and Lexus threads by a long shot.
 
Yet that's exactly what is happening. And that's why the tone became so negative.
 
The folks posting now are a whole lot more reasonable, so it's been a pleasant exchange of different opinions. The way it should be.

#139 of 1581 cross posting? by swirl_junkie

Apr 19, 2008 (6:15 am)

Are you sure it's not a thread that shows in the Mitsubishi forum also? Some comparison threads are cross linked into several different forums, and can be seen in from several different models. If not, and they are actually seeking a fight in a thread that has no mitsubishi relevance then that's downright flaming.

#140 of 1581 Re: cross posting? [swirl_junkie] by ateixeira

Apr 19, 2008 (6:21 am)

Replying to: swirl_junkie (Apr 19, 2008 6:15 am)
I don't see how "2009 Subaru Forester" would be linked to the Mitsubishi Outlander.
 
It should not be in the comparison thread, either, because those are larger SUVs, but if it is, it's because that person asked the Edmunds hosts to add it there, incorrectly so.
 
Edit: OK, I checked. Here are the vehicles cross-listed for that discussion:
 
What is this discussion about? Nissan Murano, Toyota Highlander, Subaru B9 Tribeca, Honda Pilot, Acura MDX, Volkswagen Touareg, SUV
 
Not sure if you can subscribe to the entire SUV category, but even so, Outlander is clearly not in that discussion.
 
that's downright flaming
 
Thank you, so now you understand why I was upset. I've already apologized, and I'll do so again. Just be aware that I was baited, big time.
 
There is, in fact, an appropriate discussion called "Outlander vs CX-7 vs Tribeca" which has been inactive since Sept 07. At best he should have posted the Dakar results there.

#141 of 1581 Re: 0-60 times [biscuit_xls] by kdshapiro

Apr 19, 2008 (7:24 am)

Replying to: biscuit_xls (Apr 18, 2008 9:26 pm)
Here's a 5.9 number.
More info
 
Either performance is important or it's not. Performance and handling are very important to me more so than a carful of electronic doo-dads.

#142 of 1581 Re: Bickering [rcpax] by kdshapiro

Apr 19, 2008 (7:38 am)

Replying to: rcpax (Apr 18, 2008 5:29 pm)
But makes you wonder why owners rate the Outlander much higher than owners of the 09 Forester do for the Forester.
 
That is easily explainable. I would give the Forester a 10 for everything it does well, performance, handling, AWD system, reliability, gas mileage, a lot of car for the price paid. The things that bug me however, would lower the score into the 8s. Four speed tranny, no steering wheel controls, no passenger electric seat, interior cabin noise at highway speed.
 
The real question is knowing what I know today would I do it again. Well if I was buying the car today it would be a 335i, don't need another CUV today. Back when I bought the car I needed a CUV and I would make the same decision again.
 
Bottom line, what the vehicle does well it does very well. What it doesn't do well is not as important as what it does well. But what it doesn't do well would knock a few points off the score.

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