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#1273 of 1581 Re: AWD systems of the Subaru Forester vs. Acura MDX [imaginary]
Feb 22, 2010 (10:03 am)
There is a seperate slot for the map DVD, FWIW. Some cheaper Panasonic Nav units have only one CD/DVD slot, so if you want to listen to music you have to load your route first, then pop in the music, one at a time. No such issue with the Kenwood units Subaru uses.
Another nice things is updates are frequent - the Tribeca came with v1.0 maps, but Kenwood makes regular updates available (2.0, 2.1, 2.2, and now 3.0 is the latest) for purchase. You can buy them from Subaru or directly from Kenwood.
Mitsu had Navteq v2006 maps when the 2007 Outlander models came out, and last I heard offered only one update to Navteq v2008, which is now more than 2.5 years old. Garmin portables are up to v2010.30.
Just something to consider. All those POI updates - you search for Shopping, Electronics, and it's gonna pull up all those Circuit City stores that have shuttered.
I had v2008 on my Garmin Nuvi 200w and sold it because the maps needed updating. Replaced it with a Nuvi 265wt.
No it's my wife's turn. She has v2009 on her StreetPilot c340, and it got us lost last weekend. We went to Williamsburg, VA, and then drove back to DC. It didn't have the Springfield mixing bowl updated. So it told us to stay right when we had to exit left. We ended up going east instead of west (had to, we missed our exit).
DOH! The GPS is supposed to prevent that, that's the whole point in fact.
It's officially for sale. The c340 model is old so rather than pay $65 for a map update, I'll just sell it for whatever I can get and then upgrade her to a widescreen model. I may even get myself a 5" Nuvi 1390T and then give her the 260w from my van.
I know, I've gone GPS crazy. We currently own 3, but I've owned 5 (sold 2 to upgrade maps/features) and I was a tester/pilot user for Dash, so 6.
All I've got to say is do not overlook the importance of updated maps. What good are traffic reports if highways like MD's ICC, the Springfield mixing bowl (I-495, I-95, I-395), and the Montrose Parkway did not exist back in v2008? I'm not even sure how it will try to report those.
Even the v2009 maps on my wife's c340 doesn't have the intersections right on the path I take to get to the shore correct - Rt 404, 13, 26, 20, and 54 in MD/DE. Though it is funny to look at the screen and have it tell you you're in the middle of a corn field.
Just be aware of what you're getting, is all.
#1274 of 1581 Re: AWD systems of the Subaru Forester vs. Acura MDX [ateixeira]
Feb 22, 2010 (10:25 am)
That's why I use VZNAV. 'Nuff said. When my hardware is outdated I get a new phone.
#1275 of 1581 Re: AWD systems of the Subaru Forester vs. Acura MDX [kdshapiro]
Feb 22, 2010 (11:11 am)
You pay a fee to use that, though, right?
I like the PNDs (personal navigation devices) because the interface is excellent, especially Garmin's.
I haven't seen reviews of VZNAV, but I wouldn't trade my Garmin for any of the apps I've seen on the iPhone so far.
Google Maps is great for the traffic display, but the directions take you back a decade to MapQuest-like directions. It's also slow to load. The Garmin is MUCH quicker.
I'm happy enough with my 265wt that I may buy a 2nd one. Only thing is I might opt for the bigger screen of the 1300/1400 series.
#1276 of 1581 Re: AWD systems of the Subaru Forester vs. Acura MDX [ateixeira]
Feb 22, 2010 (11:25 am)
Yes $9.99/mo on a Blackberry. I've used the app in different parts of the US; west coast, east coast, southeast, northeast, southwest. The turn by turn is excellent. Google maps is not a substitute if you need turn by turn directions.
I love not having to carry around two devices, and there is also a pedestrian mode which I've used. The application runs reasonably fast and I never have to worry about map updates.
#1277 of 1581 Re: AWD systems of the Subaru Forester vs. Acura MDX [kdshapiro]
Feb 22, 2010 (11:31 am)
Google maps is not a substitute if you need turn by turn directions.
Indeed. Same with OnStar. Do you know that if you detour you have to re-load directions again? At least that's how it used to be.
At first we had one Garmin and fought over it, but we now have 3, one for each car.
When I travel I can take one with me, and we do. It's even more useful out of town.
The new Garmins have pedestrian modes, too, for walking and public transport. Cool.
How quickly does it load directions? And what happens if you have no signal?
#1278 of 1581 Re: AWD systems of the Subaru Forester vs. Acura MDX [ateixeira]
Feb 22, 2010 (11:36 am)
How quickly does it load directions? And what happens if you have no signal?
It loads in about 30 seconds and there is a speech to text function to help you along. The achilles heel of all of these phone nav devices is the lack of signal when calculating routes. The app doesn't need a signal after the route is acquired, but if it has to calculate the route it needs a signal.
Where I have driven, not having a signal has never happened to me, even in the middle of the desert.
#1279 of 1581 Re: AWD systems of the Subaru Forester vs. Acura MDX [kdshapiro]
Feb 23, 2010 (12:37 pm)
In that case the question is...
What were you doing in the middle of the desert?
I like the idea of having base maps stored locally, so you can browse them no matter what, but "live" updates make total sense given how often changes happen.
Think about the POI database - if there are, say, 10 million businesses listed in there, how many failed during this recent financial crisis? 1/3rd of them, maybe?
We also tried to stop for gas and looked for a Shell station (we have a Shell credit card - 5% off) but it had changed owners and was no longer a Shell.
Now the question is, do I give the wife the new one, or keep that for myself and give her my old one (albeit with current maps)?
#1280 of 1581 Re: AWD systems of the Subaru Forester vs. Acura MDX [ateixeira]
Feb 23, 2010 (1:19 pm)
Yeah, I saw that; when the screen tilts you have the option of loading both a CD for music and a CD for navigation on the 7" Kenwood units in the Subaru Forester.
That's the thing. When I saw that Kenwood only offers CDs as upgrades I thought "they must be non-rewritable." I was and still worried about up to date maps. Compared to being able to download them to your hand held Garmin or Tom Tom, you have to buy CD's that must be upgraded on an annual basis. I never really looked into it to find out if you could load new data onto the Kenwood CD's you already have. I didn't see any tab on the Kenwood site suggesting that either. Live traffic and constant updatability is something I haven't really been able to find in in-dash navigation systems. However I haven't really looked THAT hard, not yet. Most of the time Google maps weren't much help either. At least where I live the maps need some accuracy improvements in terms of location of said building or area.
#1281 of 1581 Re: AWD systems of the Subaru Forester vs. Acura MDX [imaginary]
Feb 23, 2010 (1:25 pm)
It's actually a set of DVDs. 2 or 3 depending on the model.
I've seen people split the $230 cost and one will get the West Coast DVD and the other the East Coast DVD, so the update only costs them $115 (plus the extra shipping).
Why would you want to re-use the old disc?
#1282 of 1581 Subaru Forester CR's Top Pick again
Feb 23, 2010 (1:24 pm)
RAV4 dropped, which will be a surprised to exactly noone.
I felt like they gave a bit of bias towards the RAV4, because the Forester XT had a higher overall rating than the RAV4 V6, and the Forester X was tied with the RAV4 I-4. One win and one tie, and they gave the crown to the Toyota?
Any how, Subaru is back on top.