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Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester

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#126 of 1581 Re: Bickering [psychogun] by ateixeira

Apr 18, 2008 (9:08 am)

Replying to: psychogun (Apr 17, 2008 2:34 pm)
We can conclude that no car is perfect, and no car company either. What matters is how they handle the problems that inevitably come up.
 
That's common sense, I'm sure we can all agree.
 
SoA (Subaru of America) did a good job handling the head gasket issues for the pre-2002 models, fixed them free of charge even for those out of warranty, and even extended the warranty.
 
The latest engine issue affected 0.17% of turbo engines in a different country (no US models have been affected), yet Subaru took the initiative to order a stop-sell until the problem is completely resolved.
 
Clearly they are taking the intiative to address any problems that come up.
 
One would hope that Mitsubishi would do the same thing today, as well.
 
Unless anyone really thinks the Outlander is 100% perfect? No car is.
 
A couple of Mitsubishi fans are trolling the Subaru threads blasting the Forester, so that's why the tone has become so negative. Unless they are unhappy with their Outlanders, I have no idea why they'd be in a Forester thread in the first place, yet they are and they refuse to leave.
 
The same people are also in the Pilot vs. Tribeca vs. Murano vs. Highlander thread, again why are they even there? If a Mitsu were added to that topic, it would be the Endeavor anyway, not the Outlander.
 
These folks are baiting people to get in these arguments, and the tone inevitably goes bad.
 
I am sorry that I fell for that "bait".
 
Most of you seem like nice folks and your posts are balanced and reasonable, it's just a couple of bad apples that increase the noise ratio.
 
Certain people have come to the Subaru boards using words like "lemon" to describe a turbo engine that they don't even know whether or not is affected, calling Mazda and Toyota owners "Subaru patriots" (I personally own a Miata and a Sienna, so go figure). Even here a certain person implied I was enslaved.
 
Clearly they are inciting arguments.
 
Any how, forgive me to stooping down to their level.

#127 of 1581 Re: Note [h2k2f2] by tidester

Apr 18, 2008 (10:59 am)

Replying to: h2k2f2 (Apr 18, 2008 5:52 am)
To me, these posts fall within those boundaries.
 
Personal shots do not fall within these boundaries.
 
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper

#128 of 1581 Re: Outlander performance [kdshapiro] by piast

Apr 18, 2008 (11:41 am)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Apr 18, 2008 7:18 am)
At the time of those reviews, 09 XT wasn't available. Old one wasn't even in the same category. Please, fill free to post any performance numbers to compare, other than 0-60 time, which is great by the way.

#129 of 1581 Forester reviews by ateixeira

Apr 18, 2008 (12:07 pm)

They're still trickling out.
 
Here is a good first drive from Edmunds:
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=124405#1
 
Highlight (for me):
 
we could throw the Forester into corners without worrying about throwing it into the trees at the same time. A vehicle so high off the ground should not be able to corner like this, yet it does. It should roll and dive, yet it doesn't. We just couldn't get over it.

#130 of 1581 Re: Outlander performance [piast] by kdshapiro

Apr 18, 2008 (12:37 pm)

Replying to: piast (Apr 18, 2008 11:41 am)
Old one wasn't even in the same category
 
I disagree with that. Sure the '09 has been improved over earlier models, but it's a real stretch to say older models weren't in the same category. Clearly each competitor has their strengths. Where Subaru bests the competition, and has been doing so for years is under the sheet metal. If that doesn't matter to you....cool, buy an Outlander. I wanted a utilitarian vehicle that had some get up and go. One drive in an XT sold me.

#131 of 1581 Re: Bickering [ateixeira] by piast

Apr 18, 2008 (1:39 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 18, 2008 9:08 am)
I hope you are not talking about me. I never went to Subaru forum, and since this is a comparison, it is displayed under both makes. And since we are comparing Outlander with Forester (check this tread title), we can voice our opinions on either. You can always start new tread: “Why I love my Forester”, and you won’t see any of us from Mitsu site.

#132 of 1581 Re: Outlander performance [kdshapiro] by piast

Apr 18, 2008 (1:52 pm)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Apr 18, 2008 12:37 pm)
What I meant, other cars were just released new, improved models (RAV4, Outlander, CX7, RDX, Edge), bigger, faster and more refined than few years old Forester. It was more like a small station wagon than SUV, and there is nothing wrong with that. Many people bought it for it size and AWD alone. Personally I trust Subaru and Mitsubishi equally. I love Evo vs. STI fight. Unfortunately I don't like Subaru designs of recent years.

#133 of 1581 Re: Bickering [ateixeira] by suvsearcher1

Apr 18, 2008 (3:48 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 18, 2008 9:08 am)
A couple of Mitsubishi fans are trolling the Subaru threads blasting the Forester, so that's why the tone has become so negative. Unless they are unhappy with their Outlanders, I have no idea why they'd be in a Forester thread in the first place, yet they are and they refuse to leave.
  
The same people are also in the Pilot vs. Tribeca vs. Murano vs. Highlander thread, again why are they even there? If a Mitsu were added to that topic, it would be the Endeavor anyway, not the Outlander.
  
These folks are baiting people to get in these arguments, and the tone inevitably goes bad.
 
I have to agree with you on this one. I have been following this forum for past one year and I have seen this attitude from some of the Mitsu fans. These people go and open threads comparing Outlander with X3 and RX350 and dissing other people's opinions. They try to bait you in a discussion and then start parroting about the fast key, paddle shifter, music server, 6 speed and so on but fail to understand that people might have different set of priorities. Some people will just not buy Outlander because of Mitsu's prior record and low resale no matter what and that is not going to change over night. Some people would have had good experience with a Honda and Toyota or a Ford and want to stick with that Or some people just do not care about the paddle shifters and fast key.
 
If these things things were so important to people then I would like to ask why are 2007 Outlanders still sitting in the dealer lots with dealers ready to sell it for nearly $4500 below invoice price. Obviously something is missing with the Outlander. Mitsubishi wanted to make a good small SUV and it did but still Outlander has to go a long way to become a mainstream SUV.

#134 of 1581 Re: Bickering [suvsearcher1] by rcpax

Apr 18, 2008 (5:29 pm)

Replying to: suvsearcher1 (Apr 18, 2008 3:48 pm)
Indeed it still has a long way to go, and fans, and I'd say that will include me, are giving the Outlander the exposure it needs (for free ). Sadly not too many people in the US realize the true value of the Outlander, or even consider Mitsubishi as an alternative, always overshadowed by Honda, and Toyota. Go to Europe, and the thing sells at a premium.
 
Some would even say it's pointless to be discussing the motorsports achievements of Mitsubishi, like the Lancer Evo helping Tommi Makinnen win the driver's title 4 times in a row, and the Pajero Evo winning the Dakar rally 7 times straight (beating Volkswagen and BMW by a stretch), 12 in total for the whole history of Dakar. But without the famed reliability of the Lancer Evolution winning all these rallies, I don't think there'd be too many enthusiasts wanting to buy the car.
 
The Outlander's poor sales is not a result of poor engineering or poor reliability. It's lack of exposure, and poor dealership support in some cases. Speaking for myself, having owned the Outlander 1 and a half years, I'd say I made the right choice. Subaru was of course in consideration while I was deciding, but I refuse to pay extra when I have a cheaper option that offers me what I needed a lot more extras.
 
It will take years before Mitsubishi's sales gets anywhere near its Japanese rivals in the American market, no arguments with that one. But makes you wonder why owners rate the Outlander much higher than owners of the 09 Forester do for the Forester.

#135 of 1581 Re: Bickering [rcpax] by acesoverkings

Apr 18, 2008 (7:12 pm)

Replying to: rcpax (Apr 18, 2008 5:29 pm)
It will take years before Mitsubishi's sales gets anywhere near its Japanese rivals in the American market, no arguments with that one. But makes you wonder why owners rate the Outlander much higher than owners of the 09 Forester do for the Forester.
 
I heavily considered the '08 Outlander before eventually selecting the '09 Forester. I agree that the Outlander appears to be an excellent value and has some fantastic features. I'm a huge fan of the hatch/tailgate combination -- brilliant idea. Rockford Fosgate stereo? Hell yes. Paddle Shifters -- gimmicky but fun. Ability to select the 4WD mode? Cool. 10 year warranty? Perfect.
 
Combined, the '07 and '08 Outlander have 133 reviews averaging out at 9.1 overall on Edmunds. Impressive.
 
The new Forester has 8 reviews. I hardly think that's a fair comparison. I won't even get into statistical significance, because I think it's plainly obvious that 8 data points isn't an adequate comparator. If there was only 1 review for the Forester that was a perfect 10, would that make it better than the 133 reviews averaging 9.1? I don't think so.
 
We'll need to give it a little time before you start pointing to Edmunds reviews as evidence of superiority either way.

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