Last post on May 10, 2010 at 5:35 AM
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What is this discussion about?
Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Car Comparisons, SUV
#1095 of 1581 Re: Subaru vs mitsubishi [comem47]
Jan 08, 2010 (3:05 pm)
for me the Forester was too small when I was looking in 2007
Actually, I kinda wish they'd kept the Forester the same size.
Automakers have been slowly but surely growing their models for years to meet the constant demand for more size ("super-size me"). Look at the Accord and Camry, remember back when they were small compact sedans? Now they've more than been replaced by what use to be sub-compacts (Civic & Corolla) and there's a whole new generation of sub-compacts to fill the void (Fit & Venza). Same goes for SUVs. The old Ford Explorer was small compared to today's model. So Ford came out with the Escape. In a few years, when the Escape grows too big, Ford will no doubt come out with a new compact SUV.
#1096 of 1581 Re: Subaru vs mitsubishi [p0926]
Jan 08, 2010 (4:28 pm)
Ford already has one its selling like hotcakes over in the UK and is based on the new Fiesta platform. It's called the Kuga in the UK google it. Nice little SUV - by far not a CRV or a RAV4.
Anyone that buys a Ford Escape right now should be enrolled in a HS economics class again. It's ancient tech - and being phased out which it should have been phased out 4 years ago. Ford should be ashamed of selling it given it doesn't compete with any rival at any level.
The American companies have failed miserably in managing their "Brand Image" it doesn't matter how good of a product you have if your Brand image is bad you have some major issues! It's easier to design a good vehicle than it is to change everyone's perception of your brand.
As such when you have a very old product or a very poor product continuing to sell it simply damages your brand image.
Given the cost of vehicles today and the fast and easy information via the internet you basically commit brand suicide if you do not own up to faulty products or continue to sell products that simply do not compete with competitors.
The New Buick's might actually be great cars but no way in hell I will ever own something with a Buick badge on it. Again brand image and in GM's case really bad brand image management.
#1097 of 1581 Re: Subaru vs mitsubishi [p0926]
Jan 08, 2010 (7:09 pm)
Both of these models up-sized for the latest generation.
Remember the previous Outlander?
Having said that, the Forester is still under 180", which is shorter than a Chevy Cobalt. They've also kept weight under control, which helps every aspect of performance, and economy too.
#1098 of 1581 Re: Subaru vs mitsubishi [watkinst]
Jan 08, 2010 (7:18 pm)
The domestics have come a long way, especially recently.
The Equinox went from having an ancient Chinese-built pushrod V6 to a pair of direct injection engines with both good power and fuel efficiency. It's attractive inside and out. Now if only they can put the rest of the car on a diet.
MyFord Touch is the leader in Infotainment. Lincoln just won awards from JD Powers for the best Navi systems, and they didn't rest on their laurels - the new system go well beyond what Sync could do. They're showing them off at CES now, and they sure look cool.
Competition improves the breed, and that's a good thing.
#1099 of 1581 Re: Subaru vs mitsubishi [ateixeira]
Jan 10, 2010 (5:46 am)
I'll take the extra length. I had to fly with two others the other day and my wife drove the Outlander to the airport with me and my companions as passengers. Their luggage + mine (including suitcases, 3 carry ons, etc.) all fit in the cargo area below the height of the second row seats without stacking.
The Outlander fits in my garage even with the hatch open & garage door closed so for me it's not too long at all. My garage is a 2-car garage. Not 2.5, not longer or wider than needed (I actually wish it was wider to allow room for garden equipment). Just a basic box attached to the house.
(I never warmed to that nose on the Outlander or any other Mitsu that sported a similar grill center.)
#1100 of 1581 Re: Subaru vs mitsubishi [fushigi]
Jan 10, 2010 (5:53 pm)
A lot of people don't like the new nose, but I get it - I think of the EVO right away, so to me it's OK.
As for size, I have the van when I want acres of space, so we wanted something compact that could still carry a family of 4, but was easy to maneuver, park, and good with gas.
An around town alternative to the big van, basically.
Edit: I'm not saying the Outlander is too big per se, just a bit on the heavy side. It's actually not big enough to be my primary trip vehicle, because we'll often take our nanny, and it's rare to find a comfortable 5th seat (sit on the "hump" and you'll see it's hard and your head rubs the ceiling if you're tall).
Different strokes for different folks...
#1101 of 1581 Used Subarus actually *gained* value in 2009
Jan 11, 2010 (9:40 am)
Per Automotive News/KBB:
In 2009, the depreciation rate for all used vehicles from the model years 2005 through 2008 was 8.5 percent, Kelley says. But used Subarus for those years actually increased in value 1.3 percent, Kelley says. Audi vehicles lost only 1.9 percent of their value, while the value of Mercedes vehicles fell 3.3 percent.
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100111/RETAIL04/100109902/1- - 132#ixzz0cKJ6QiE8
Those were the top 3, so Subaru was the only brand to actually gain value.
#1103 of 1581 Re: Outlander mentions [fushigi]
Jan 12, 2010 (8:23 am)
Pretty neat. Have you tried playing Pandora tunes via Bluetooth a2dp? If so how was sound quality?
Ford's demo even let them say names of songs for Pandora to play. The appeal here being you get music on-demand, plus it's totally free.
Ford just swept the North American Car/Truck of the year awards, so they're on somewhat of a roll lately.