Last post on May 10, 2010 at 5:35 AM
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Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Car Comparisons, SUV
#1064 of 1581 Re: 3 Challenges - 3 surprising results [fushigi]
Dec 30, 2009 (7:34 am)
I used cargo volume numbers from the Mitsubishi brochure for the 2008 Outlander, listed as 36.2-39 cu ft. Maybe I'm interpreting it incorrectly, but what else would account for the difference?
Maybe it's less with models with the 3rd row, and it's not the sub after all?
If that's the case, I say ditch the tiny 3rd row and save the unneeded weight and cost. There are no airbags to protect passengers there, nor is there much crumple space. I realize the Outlander gets around with no drama, but what if you're rear ended by an overconfident teenager in a pickup or SUV?
I ruled out the Subaru Tribeca for similar reasons - 3rd row too small, no airbags there, tiny cargo volume when the 3rd row it in use. For my needs a van was simply better. You do compromise on the drive, but it rides great and offers acres of space.
#1065 of 1581 Re: 3 Challenges - 3 surprising results [ateixeira]
Dec 30, 2009 (8:35 am)
Agreed. If I were to have consistent need to haul 6 or 7 people around a minivan would be much better from a safety and comfort standpoint. There are still full seatbelts & headrests for whiplash protection but as you noted no airbags. There is some space for crumpling from the rear since the seat, when deployed, swings forward a little from the stow area.
It's possible that the 3rd row seat is what's accounting for the volume difference. I think (but am not positive) without it there's a cargo area that's covered to maintain the flat seat.
Anyway, it's come in handy once so far. It may again but I'm sure it won't be often. I don't mind the cost but do wish the seat was removable to add a little hidden cargo area & save a few pounds.
#1066 of 1581 Re: 3 Challenges - 3 surprising results [fushigi]
Dec 30, 2009 (9:49 am)
Yes, In my 2007 LS there is a shallow storage area in lieu of the seat. Besides not wanting to spend the additional $ for an XLS at the time I had no desire for the 3rd row seat. The storage isn't all that much (maybe 5-6" inches deep at tops, but I got more out of it by removing the foam organizer tray...it's just a carpeted area now that's left under the cover) I put my towing related stuff in there and a few tools.
#1067 of 1581 Re: 3 Challenges - 3 surprising results [comem47]
Dec 30, 2009 (10:41 am)
Well that explains the 2 different numbers.
What surprises me is that the EPA would allow that. Or maybe those are just numbers from Mitsubishi?
Foresters have similar storage under the cargo floor. The cargo cover has a custom-sized spot, or you can remove the foam tray entirely and fit a flat tire in the spot where the spare resides.
We keep a spare winter jacket there and a long golf umbrella.
Dec 30, 2009 (10:43 am)
#1069 of 1581 Re: 3 Challenges - 3 surprising results [ateixeira]
Dec 30, 2009 (3:55 pm)
I haven't checked this forum for more than a year I think and I could not believe that the Outlander vs Forester "war" went on for so long.
"I used cargo volume numbers from the Mitsubishi brochure for the 2008 Outlander, listed as 36.2-39 cu ft. Maybe I'm interpreting it incorrectly, but what else would account for the difference? "
The difference accounts for the min/max cargo space due to the sliding/reclining rear seats.
FWIW, my Outlander is still going strong after almost 3 years with no problems other than regular maintenance.
Mitsu is doing rather well in Canada, opening up more stores and selling pretty decent numbers - Outlander and Lancer that is; the Galant and Endeavor have been dead for a long time in Canada and the Eclipse is not far behind.
Both the Outlander and the Lancers are now pretty common sights in Toronto area.
In Canada, Subaru and Mitsu sales are very close, especially if you compare Impreza/Forester vs Lancer/Outlander. With the addition of the new Legacy and Outback, Subaru will probably take the lead overall.
#1070 of 1581 Re: 3 Challenges - 3 surprising results [dodo2]
Dec 31, 2009 (9:25 am)
sliding/reclining rear seats
That could explain the difference as well.
#1071 of 1581 Re: Forester vs Outlander [fushigi]
Jan 05, 2010 (2:06 pm)
Mitsubishi Motors Ends The Year With Positive Sales Momentum
From the article:
* Every Mitsubishi model showed an increase in sales compared to the prior month (November 2009).
* Lancer sales were up 13.9 percent compared to the prior month and up 16.9 percent compare to December 2008.
* Outlander sales were up 81 percent compared to last month. (emphasis mine) It was Outlanderís third highest monthly sales total in 2009, and sales were up 11.4 percent compared to December 2008.
* December was Galantís second best sales month of 2009, up 162 percent compared to last month and up 32 percent compared to December of 2008.
* Endeavor sales were up 15.9 percent compared to the prior month.
* Lancer Sportback sales were up 5.8 percent compared to the prior month.
My guess that Outlander sales might have been depressed based on people waiting for the new model may just be accurate based on an 81% jump in sales. Although to be honest I'm not sure what drove the Galant sales boost.
#1072 of 1581 Re: Forester vs Outlander [fushigi]
Jan 06, 2010 (10:09 am)
If you sold 1 last month and 10 this month you could also claim an increase of 900%. :shades
#1073 of 1581 Re: Forester vs Outlander [fushigi]
Jan 06, 2010 (10:58 am)
The PR machine was working overtime. That is a nice spin on things, I'll give them credit.
Usually sales are compared to the same month a year prior, and then YTD vs. the year prior.
sales were up 11.4 percent compared to December 2008
That's a good sign, but per Automotive News:
Overall, December sales of 1,030,096 light vehicles rose 15 percent from December 2008
So minus the PR spin, the Outlander actually lost a little bit of market share compared to the old model a year ago.
Having said that, if demand for the GT is hot as you mentioned earlier, it'll take time to adjust the production lines to output more of those. It could take a couple of months to adjust.
It is an encouraging sign after a dismal November.