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793 messages, Last post on Nov 22, 2009 at 6:52 PM
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 20, 2009 2:01 pm) Edmiunds Insideline about mushy and squishy Forester brakes: "Unfortunately the brake pedal action doesn't give you confidence, as our drivers describe it variously as soft, mushy and squishy." |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 21, 2009 3:39 am) 2009 Outlander XLS is still faster vs. Forester XT in slalom by whole 3.6 seconds: XLS: 63.9, Rover LR2: 62, Forester XT: 60.3. The new 2010 XLS shares with GT the same new improved suspension and engine, but not AWD. It may not be as agile as GT but would certainly be sportier then 2009 XLS. >> I quoted street prices for a Forester XT Premium for $25,337. That's with discounts, but I doubt you'll find a GT for that price. GT is in a different league, but street prices will be under 30K with navigation. >> So the question is, how much Outlander can you get for $25 grand? Help the guy out. You will be able to find deals and get loaded XLS at around $25K as well. This guy got it for $23k: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0fda3a/917#MSG917 |
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Replying to: fushigi (Nov 21, 2009 4:43 am) nav-equipped one the free traffic I thought it was subscription based? My buddy's Infiniti G37 costs him $13 a month. I guess you mean after the first 3 months? I hear you about Toyota. Frustrating. The RAV4's rear door swings open the wrong way (comem47 beat me to it). The Highlander's 3rd row doesn't split fold. Check out an Outback 3.6R Ltd with Navi. It has the USB port, streaming bluetooth stereo, and a bigger screen (8"). The only problem is you may not find one right now with the GPS. One Edmunds member in Chicago searched and found just one in the entire Colorado area. Well, good luck shopping. Check 'em all out this Auto Show season, saves a bunch of time. That's what I do.
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I feel like you were misleading us about the capacity and capabilities. No mention of how you were driving around with 4 year old maps, and you were OK with that? This is a system you can't stop bragging about that doesn't get the text-to-speech feature found on some $99 portables. You made it sound like the GT could walk on water. With S-AWC. Edmunds said the Forester had "powerful stops" so it still wins the braking test, objective and subjective (distance). Slalom isn't measured in seconds, it's average speed. And to get those numbers the Outlander traded off a very stiff ride. I suspect that's the main reason it doesn't sell better. Forester still wins 3 out of 4 performance categories. At $23k Mitsubishi was basically giving that car away (poster says the rebate was $3000 at the time). I'll be the first to say it - at that price, plus with his loyalty incentive, fushigi should buy the Outlander. Those prices are not sustainable for Mitsubishi, though. I say wait until the rebate climbs back up to that level (it is $1500 now in my region for 09s), cash in the loyalty incentive, and shop a leftover 2009 XLS. A 2010 GT won't have the rebate and costs $4 grand more, so the difference could reach $7 grand.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 21, 2009 2:23 pm) Why would I care? I have never ran into a new road. Outlander uses Navteq maps – the same map vendor as most of manufacturers: acura, audi, benz, bmw, caddi, LR, jag, infi, mazd, niss, vw, volvo and more. And they all get updates at the same time. I don’t think it’s 4 years. The current version is 2008. I don’t know who is Subaru vendor, but I’d be surprised if they release updates every year. So map age is a non-issue. . >> This is a system you can't stop bragging about that doesn't get the text-to-speech feature found on some $99 portables. And you can't stop bragging about previous generation: the 07 Outlander first went into production with its new Nav in 2006. That time Forester had no Navigation AT ALL: it went into production with Navigation much later in 2008, but even 2010 Forester still does not have hard drive stored maps, no phonebook sync, no free real-time traffic, no Diamond Lane Guidance, no MSN, no USB, and no text-to-speech feature so why don’t you compare it to "$99 portable"? Also note that in 2006 your advanced "portables" were priced over $700 not $99. >> Forester still wins 3 out of 4 performance categories. Forester XT wins: acceleration, braking. skidpad is nearly a wash. Outlander wins: handling, transmission, AWD, tow capacity, payload capacity, cargo volume. >> I say wait until the rebate climbs back up to that level (it is $1500 now in my region for 09s), cash in the loyalty incentive, and shop a leftover 2009 XLS. I’d say it a good strategy. >> A 2010 GT won't have the rebate and costs $4 grand more, so the difference could reach $7 grand. Yes, it actually could reach 6-7K diff in December. It appears invoice price for 2010 XLS with leather and Nav is $28832. GT: $30941. Outlander frequently sells $2K below invoice, so in a few months the 2010 XLS street price could be around $26,800. GT: $28,900. If fushigi has some financial flexibility, he could get a car with interior quality similar to X3 while technology will be equal or exceeding. Basically with X3 you would be paying thousands more just for the brand name. Both 2010 XLS and GT have new upscale interior with French-accent double stitching on the leather seats and dash pad, chrome accents, and widely employed soft-touch materials. The red digital information display between the gauges, replaced by a high-definition, multicolor LCD: GT: http://s215240594.onlinehome.us/outlander_GT.jpg X3: http://img2.netcarshow.com/BMW-X3_2007_1280x960_wallpaper_26.jpg |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 21, 2009 1:56 pm) >> I thought it was subscription based? My buddy's Infiniti G37 costs him $13 a month. I guess you mean after the first 3 months? The real-time traffic is always free on 2010 Outlander: http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1038615_new-mitsubishi-nav-system-i- - ncludes-free-traffic-service Also "there's another advantage of the Mitsubishi system: its carpool lane information. The so-called Diamond Lane Guidance is said to be an industry first and can help guide you to high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes when it might help reduce drive times." The real-time traffic is actually extremely useful feature: it would save you lots of time, aggravation and gas (we talk so much about gas mileage here). If you drive a lot, then for the real-time traffic feature alone I would buy the 2010 model of Outlander, but anyway it has so many cool features and qualities: this car is a steal. |
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The current version is v2010.20, not v2008. They supply Garmin as well. http://www.navteq.com/partnertoolkit/media/view/map_update_garmin/index.htm So it's still 2+ years out of date if it really is 2008. We can check that when it comes out. I just sold my Nuvi 200w model precisely because it had outdated v2008 maps. It's not only missing major new roads like the ICC highway here in MD, but also the POI database - every business that is new or has closed in the past 2 years would be listed incorrectly or missing. Imagine running on fumes and then having it take you to a gas station that closed. Plus how can it avoid traffic on the ICC if the highway is not even included on its maps? It can't. The Forester already offers a map update, the year after it came out, FWIW. Not that I recommend any OEM Navi. I'll just say this - buyer beware. On your test drive, go to Maps/About, however you get there from the menu, and check the version of your maps before you buy. I’d say it a good strategy. What do you know, is World Peace next?  It's Thanksgiving week so Iets be thankful for the choices we have, even if we don't agree on which is best for each of us. At least we have those choices to make. Happy Thanksgiving. |
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fushigi: your mission, shall you choose to accept it... ... is to match or beat slobbatech's $23,000 price on his 08 XLS. Your loyalty rebate should offset price increases for 09. Timing is everything. Luck, too. You have to time it so that they're clearing out the 09s but still have what you want (color) in stock. slobbatech's was loaded, he wrote "nav, sun&sound, luxury/leather packages" and it was even "4wd". So there is your benchmark deal. Good luck. This message will self-destruct in 3, 2, 1, ... 
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There's another advantage of the Mitsubishi system: its carpool lane information. The so-called Diamond Lane Guidance is said to be an industry first and can help guide you to high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes when it might help reduce drive times. I don't quite get it - didn't the old Navi system have avoidances? If so, you should have been able to choose to avoid (or not avoid) HOV lanes. My Garmin does this. I guess I don't see how it's an undustry first, or what's unique about it. Am I missing something? 
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 22, 2009 5:41 pm) I see some 2010 Outlanders are in stock at my local dealer but based on the posted price on their web site they are no XLS or GT models so far. Frankly I'd be satisfied with a loaded GT for $30K after loyalty rebate and before TTL. Cheaper, er, less expensive, is better but given a $35K MSRP that'd be a good enough deal with no other incentives. I've no problem with the dealer making a profit; I just see no need for it to be excessive. Anyway, over the coming weeks I'll try to test drive a GT & XLS and from Subaru, the Outback 3.6. Maybe a Ford Edge. I really wanted to like the 'nox but the non-flat floor w/second row is close to a deal breaker. CR-V, RAV, Rogue/Murano and anything from Chrysler are out for various reasons. I might be skipping something off the top of my head but that's the current short list. |
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