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SUVs Mitsubishi Outlander Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester
521 messages, Last post on May 15, 2008 at 10:58 PM
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 15, 2008 1:50 pm) and so is Subaru's with the Forester, so what's your point? |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 15, 2008 2:05 pm) Now, again... another hearsay. I hear this and that... blah blah blah... where's the link? You think Mitsubishi retired from rallying and built an Evo for your grandpa (if he still breathes). Look at how the Evo X smoked all the STi's: http://www.serviceparknews.com/?c=129&a=1408
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Replying to: blitzkrieg79 (May 15, 2008 2:00 pm) Obliterate: to wipe out, destroy, demolish, eliminate, eradicate, annihilate, or reduce to nothing. Wow, is STI a car or a WMD? |
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Replying to: rcpax (May 15, 2008 4:55 pm) "No longer built with the express purpose of winning rallies, Mitsubishi has allowed it to mature, and while its immaculate rally lineage remains central to its core appeal, considerable effort has been expended to make the Evo X greener, more refined and more versatile" I read the same thing in numerous places and assumed they were creating an on-road only suspension. Apparently not so. telegraph.co.uk
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 15, 2008 5:12 pm)
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Replying to: piast (May 15, 2008 5:48 pm) |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 15, 2008 3:31 pm) One reason to drive in FWD is to gain 1MPG or so. For some people, and when possible, this matters and this applies to both Forester and Outlander owners. The difference is that for the Forester owners, who know about the fuse trick, is cumbersome. For the Outlander owners it's at their fingertips. For the past two weeks, in an attempt to evaluate the fuel economy in various scenarios, I switched to 2WD. I can assure you that on my daily commute I do not see ANY difference whatsoever in the driving experience.... ZERO, NADA, NIL. I drive on urban highways and city/suburban streets not on mountain or scenic back roads. If need be, I can switch to any 4WD mode, at any time and any speed, in a fraction of a second. Even more, where I live (Toronto, Canada), I can drive most of the winter in 2WD since the roads are clean and dry 1-2 days after a snowstorm (they plow the snow to the pavement and use tones of salt on the roads). This is why I appreciate the Outlander's 4WD setup since I can use whatever configuration I see fit not what the car defaults to. |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 15, 2008 4:43 pm) Today only few econoboxes, cheap cars or older designs come with 4 A/T. Look at the industry and note that the manufactures upgrade their transmissions early in the vehicle's cycle in order to keep up - e.g. Mazda, GM, Ford and most of the newly designed models come with 5/6 A/T from day one. Now Subaru launches brand new 2008 and 2009 (!!!) models, including cars like the WRX, with 4AT. It doesn't sound too good nor it deserves any praise for that. You could trumpet as much as you want that the 4 A/T is good enough so Subaru didn't need to update, but I'm sure Subaru has a very different reason for this situation. I'm also pretty sure that the 2010 or 2011 models at the latest will have a different transmission so no, I don't think Subaru put the 4A/T in the new Forester by choice. |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 15, 2008 4:43 pm) It is. But what I was saying that the shifter is just a cosmetic add-on to the Subaru antiquated tranny. And speaking of coming from the future, Mitsubishi launches the new all-electric 2+2 AWD i-MIEV Sport for 2009. According to the article it has 123 mile range and could recharge up to 80 percent in 35 minutes. You can even charge it via a wireless charger! The i-MIEV comes equipped with an auxiliary photovoltaic generator on the roof, a power generating fan inside the front grill and is also able to recharge its lithium battery when the car brakes, recuperating wasted energy. Amongst the technologies this vehicle offers energy saving LEDs, heat absorbing glass to reduce heat gain within the vehicle and the interior components of the vehicle use environmentally friendly plant-based resin developed by Mitsu. And this is not a rumor or concept, this is a real production vehicle. Subaru on the other hand is coming from the past, chasing fuel economy standards with its first ever diesel engine, being generations behind from the rest of the world.  Mitsubishi Launches New Electric Sports Car Mitsubishi's iMiEV to Feature Solar, Wind Power, 2009 Release |
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Good grief. Why is it that we have to bash on the manufacturers? Yes, Subaru uses a 4-speed A/T on the '09 Forester. However, Mitsubishi uses a 4-speed A/T on the 4-cylinder versions of the '09 Galant, '09 Eclipse, and '08 Endeavor. Both manufacturers probably did this to control cost and ensure reliability. Regardless, one buys a car because of the sum of its parts, not individual pieces. I really don't see any reason (nor do I find it helpful) to describe the technology used, or the vehicles in question, as "antiquated" or "fragile". If Subaru is supposedly using a 20-year old AWD system, then Mitsubishi was using a 25 year old engine design (the venerable 4G63T) in EVO's up to iteration IX. Both work(ed) exceedingly well. BTW, I am actually partial to Mitsubishi. However, that does not stop me from being open-minded, factual, and polite (if I were in the market I would definitely seriously consider both of these vehicles). I feel that the juvenile tone, the tangent topics, and lack of facts in a good number of the posts over the past 27 pages is to the detriment of this entire discussion. Let's keep this on topic, shall we. Though interesting and innovative, Boxer Diesel from Subaru (the world's first Horizontally opposed diesel) and the iMiev Sport from Mitsubishi, this is not the right thread for them. |
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