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Feb 03, 2008 (7:42 pm)
This topic is to help us all ferret out, reveal and/or discover those few rare precious cars that have all...ALL.... of the below qualifications:
1. They are attractive
2. They perform really well in their intended purpose.
3. They are ridiculously, conspicuously under-priced for what you get.
4. Their value will be going up soon--it's just that nobody has noticed yet how undervalued they are.
Cite examples when you can of cars you see for sale.
#3 of 38 Re: I'll start off -- [Mr_Shiftright]
Feb 04, 2008 (8:41 am)
C4 Corvettes? Blech. They're only $5,000 for a reason.
#4 of 38 Re: I'll start off -- [bumpy]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Feb 04, 2008 (11:10 am)
So what's your problem?
#5 of 38 Re: I'll start off -- [Mr_Shiftright]
Feb 04, 2008 (11:39 am)
Underwhelming horsepower and performance, the sort of quaint futurism typical of '80s cars, and the chronic unreliability of the ancillary systems and interior materials. If you want to blow five grand on that, you go right ahead.
#6 of 38 Re: I'll start off -- [bumpy]
Feb 04, 2008 (11:41 am)
Then I guess the question is - what sports/sporty car would you rather blow five grand on?
#7 of 38 Re: I'll start off -- [texases]
Feb 04, 2008 (12:00 pm)
From the late '80s? Supra Turbo, RX7 Turbo II, MR2 supercharged (yes, there is a theme here). The problem with all of these cars (including the 'vette) is that their successors in the '90s were better, faster, and more desirable cars all around, so these get left to the side as historical curiousities.
As for Shifty's original premise of undervalued sports cars, the '87-88 Nissan 200SX SE with the V6 from the base Z comes to mind.
#8 of 38 Re: I'll start off -- [bumpy]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Feb 04, 2008 (12:30 pm)
I just can't imagine a C4 losing a race to a stock Nissan 200SX under any circumstances unless I started in 3rd gear and deflated the tires to 15 psi? I can't imagine even CALLING a 200SX a sports car unless you built it up into one. (no fair, there goes the "steal" part).
Sure the C4 has a lot of crappy parts on it, bump, couldn't agree more, but it will humiliate a 200SX on the skidpad and 0-60, or just about any other car from the 1980s for that matter. It'll pull nearly a G and should do 0-60 in about 5.7. Looks like only the Mazda TT would beat it and the very last Supra turbos would but not the early ones.
MR2 SC is also a STEAL
Mazda RX7 TT is not that cheap a car anymore
Supra Turbo is a great car, not that cheap but not too bad. Maybe not a "steal" but a bargain, yes.
But "bang for buck" the C4 stands out and parts are cheap IMO.
And the later LT1 and LT4 C4s, mo' bettah.
Still crappy parts on them, though.
#9 of 38 Re: I'll start off -- (bumpy)
Feb 04, 2008 (12:39 pm)
"...the '87-88 Nissan 200SX SE with the V6..."
I think finding an unmolested one in decent shape would be difficult. How about a late '80s 300Z turbo? There's a decent supply of these at reasonable prices.
#10 of 38 Re: I'll start off -- (bumpy) [hpmctorque]
Feb 04, 2008 (1:02 pm)
300ZX turbos of the '80s were relatively slow. For a couple of thousand dollars more, in a straight line a 1990 NA 300ZX would leave it pretty far behind and on a track would leave the old Turbo in a smoldering pile. For less than $10K, you can get a 1990 TT, which is way more car than a C4.
RX-7 Turbo II's weren't much faster than a 300ZX Turbo of the day and aren't known for reliability. They didn't have the simplicity, charm and driving feel of the first generation cars or the perfomance of the third generation cars. The third generation cars are a decent buy, as long as you reserve the cash to replace the engine and turbos ever 50K or so, which kind of keeps it from being a bargain (in the way that a Maserati BiTurbo is no bargain).
The Supra Turbo of the '80s was a 3600 lb boulevardier. I like these, but don't confuse them as being anywhere near the league of the Supra that followed. The last Supra TTs offer 110% of the performance of the last 300ZX TTs at two to three times the price of the Z. No bargain there.
MR2 Supercharged is a fun little go cart. Cute and quaint in an outdated sort of way, and not particularly fast or well sorted but still a ton of fun for the $. Similar comments go for a CRX Si, but the CRX has some extra functionality benefits.
For performance for the dollar, it is hard to beat a C4 (even with their cheap interiors and poor reliability).
I'll nominate an '86 944 Turbo which costs a little more than a C4, but also offers a little more in the way of engineering and quality.
For pure driving fun for the dollar, it is hard to beat a '99 Miata for $7K.