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BMW 3 Series, Diesel, Future Vehicle, Sedan
#363 of 392 Re: 335d and light snow [jlbl]
Apr 19, 2009 (4:19 pm)
Great photos -- a haunted treescape. Where were they taken?
#364 of 392 Re: 335d and light snow [nkeen]
Apr 19, 2009 (10:31 pm)
Where were they taken?
In the parking lot of the entrance to Pont d'Espagne. Pont d'Espagne is a mountain pass (by foot) between France and Spain. It belongs to the Central Pyrenees National Park which extends itself on both sides of the border. Closer villages to Pont d'Espagne are Cauterets in France and Panticosa in Spain.
You may see more pics of the place in my CarSpace Albums:
April Snow (2009)
Central Pyrenees 2007
Here is some example from there
#365 of 392 Re: 335d and light snow [jlbl]
Apr 20, 2009 (4:47 am)
Thanks Jose, It is something I did not expect in Spain. Another good reason to visit your country. That and being able to rent a diesel car.
We are so behind the rest of the world on vehicles. We have been stuck with dinosaurs like GM, Ford & Chrysler for so long. Maybe when they go broke we will get some decent vehicles here in the USA.
#366 of 392 Re: 335d and light snow [gagrice]
Apr 20, 2009 (5:09 am)
Maybe when they go broke we will get some decent vehicles here in the USA.
Not if CARB & the EPA have anything to say about it.
Then there's the "image" thing which seems to drive BMW to send over the biggest baddest diesel in the lineup, rather than one or two of the really economical ones they have already available.
I agree with you by the way, but I've very nearly given up hope.
#367 of 392 Re: 335d and light snow [cdnpinhead]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Apr 20, 2009 (8:29 am)
Emissions laws will never be rescinded, but it's possible new laws might be postponed or that existing laws could be somewhat modified.
It would be political death to revoke emissions laws in those states with huge car populations. Nobody really wants that anyway.
#368 of 392 Re: 335d and light snow [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 20, 2009 (8:46 am)
Indeed, that is how BMW ( for example, there are others) are able to have a great outlet for their gasser fuel guzzlers !!! Life is good !! Heaven help us that we should actually let in cars that ACTUALLY GET better fuel mileage!? Why get 35-40 mpg when 20-16 mpg will do JUST fine? Now these are the "cheapo" entry cars!?
EPA Mileage Estimates - Manual (City / Highway / Combined): 17 mpg / 26 mpg / 20 mpg;
Of course my fav is the 16 mpg BMW M3
EPA Mileage Estimates - Manual (City / Highway / Combined): 14 mpg / 20 mpg / 16 mpg;
#369 of 392 Re: 335d and light snow [ruking1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Apr 20, 2009 (9:09 am)
That's the manufacturer's choice. Either their cars meet USA emissions and safety standards or they don't, regardless of MPG. You want to sell here, you follow the same rules as everybody else.
#370 of 392 Re: 335d and light snow [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 20, 2009 (9:21 am)
Agreed, You also make what I am saying an absolute slam dunk- no brainer. However that position is the sound of one hand clapping. It is also defacto the position of the granting authority. Or if we want to start the convolution game, Less is good !!!??? Greater consumption has economic consequences aka benefits......... and or vice versa.
#371 of 392 Re: 335d and light snow [ruking1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Apr 20, 2009 (10:28 am)
Well one could argue that if you provide more fuel-efficient luxury gas or (same thing) cars that got double the gas mileage, everyone would just consume it twice as fast. The free market has this pathological quality to it on the upper end of consumer items.
Would the owner of a 335d drive his new spiffy car just as much he might his old 750iL?
You betcha he would (I would too). Why not, I can afford it.
This is why I find it a bit strange to push diesels in the luxury end of the market as an "economical" car. People who can afford such a nice car as a 335 can afford as much fuel as they require for their pleasure. The idea that this type of car is somehow beneficial to mankind is rather ephemeral.
Of course it is certainly beneficial to the person driving it. Beats a Yaris all to hell. And for those destined to drive Yari, why not a turbo diesel version and the money saved goes to groceries?
#372 of 392 Re: 335d and light snow [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 20, 2009 (10:34 am)
Surely one can, BUT as it applies to the 2009 BMW 335 D, that argument is truly a no show. In test drives, the computer indicated app 33 mpg and I was far from gentle. (not abusive however) Indeed if I were to get it, it would be for its longer distance attibutes, aka HELL of a ROAD CAR... and OH by the way you can actually commute with it !! However most BMW owners would probably chose to...fly???
Almost EVERYONE that I know anyway that has so called higher end cars has ridiculously low mileage. Indeed one can even ask in terms of mileage, why one even bought it?