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Re: $3k off...wow! [gagrice] by nopcbs
Apr 11, 2009 (10:09 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 10, 2009 7:24 pm)

Let's not get carried away with the FWD bashing here, folks. Everything else being equal, the FWD car WILL do better on snow (by that I mean start moving and then keep going) than a RWD car. (OK, maybe not when you are going up steep hill, but your RWD car is not going to do well in that circumstance, either.)
 
The weight of the engine over the drive wheels helps a lot vs. a RWD car. That's why Beetles did well (plus their light weight, overall) in snow. Plus Beetles had skinny tires to keep the pounds per square inch of contact relatively high.
 
Where FWD cars have trouble is they tend to have low ground clearance, especially compared to trucks, SUV's, and even many RWD cars. The low ground clearance means they become plows when the snow gets just a little deep.
 
The combination of RWD plus traction control plus snow tires just about equals the combination of FWD plus traction cntrol plus decent all-season tires, in my experience. Both are darned good...until the snow gets very deep.
 
- Geo
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Re: $3k off...wow! [nopcbs] by fedlawman
Apr 11, 2009 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: nopcbs (Apr 11, 2009 10:09 am)

"The combination of RWD plus traction control plus snow tires just about equals the combination of FWD plus traction cntrol plus decent all-season tires, in my experience."
 
I disagree. I think the RWD with dedicated snow tires will beat the FWD with all-season tires every time.
 
I also frequently turn traction/stability control off.
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Re: $3k off...wow! [fedlawman] by shipo
Apr 11, 2009 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Apr 11, 2009 11:31 am)

I've found that in extreme conditions, a FWD car shod with snow tires and driven backwards up a hill is almost unbeatable by anything shy of an AWD vehicle.
 
Best regards,
Shipo
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Re: $3k off...wow! [nopcbs] by gagrice
Apr 12, 2009 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: nopcbs (Apr 11, 2009 10:09 am)

The combination of RWD plus traction control plus snow tires just about equals the combination of FWD plus traction cntrol plus decent all-season tires, in my experience. Both are darned good...until the snow gets very deep.
 
Most of my driving in snow included rather steep hills. None had traction control at that time. The 73 Subaru would start bouncing in about 3 inches of snow on the slightest hill. Then pop out of gear. Very frustrating car. The 78 Accord would drift around and very difficult to keep going straight. My partners Saab at the time was very good. So I just wrote it off as poor Japanese engineering. Not to mention the horrible dealers involved.
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Re: $3k off...wow! [gagrice] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 12, 2009 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 12, 2009 5:14 am)

The reason there is so much variation in experience with RWD/FWD is because the factor of the driver is such a substantial part of the equation.
 
I'd feel fully confident in a 335D in heavy snow conditions and wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere. But I'd have 4 snows on it.
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Re: $3k off...wow! [Mr_Shiftright] by gagrice
Apr 13, 2009 (4:35 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 12, 2009 8:27 am)

Experience does play a big role. I did a lot of off roading prior to moving to Alaska. I was very aware of how easy it is to get stuck even with a 4X4. We also ran 4 studded tires during the 1970s & 80s, all winter long. I did not own a 4WD in Alaska until 1988.
 
I did not test drive the 335D when I was trying out the X5 diesel. Just not my cup of tea. I would say from what friends have told me RWD BMWs handle very well on ice which is the most dangerous.
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Re: $3k off...wow! [gagrice] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 13, 2009 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 13, 2009 4:35 am)

I would think any engine that gives lots of torque at very low RPMs would be great for snow, as you could lug it around without having to shift too often or rev high to get off the line. Just ease out the clutch at idle and putt off into the snow!
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Re: $3k off...wow! [Mr_Shiftright] by ruking1
Apr 15, 2009 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 13, 2009 7:25 am)

"Just ease out the clutch at idle and putt off into the snow! "
 
This might not be true in the US market's BMW 335 D's case as it currently only comes in 6 speed automatic.
 
However on those diesels with 6 speed manuals, that is truly one of the well kept secrets. The TREMENDOUS torque at low rpms, literally make driving a manual effortless and also since one can engage the clutch at almost stall rpms, this cuts down the wear considerably. (It helps of course if one knows this and applies the knowledge accordingly.)
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Re: $3k off...wow! [ruking1] by investor27
Apr 15, 2009 (10:23 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Apr 15, 2009 10:16 am)

Huh? Dropping the clutch at idle, and it won't stall? Don't you mean 1st gear? That is a great tip, but unfortunately BMW is not bring out the 335d with a manual to the US market. They had claimed that the manual transmission can't handle all that torque. I wonder how the manual transmission is handling all that torque over in Europe. Doesn't make sense.

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