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BMW 3 Series, Diesel, Future Vehicle, Sedan
#300 of 392 Re: 320d with manual [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 25, 2009 (9:50 am)
..."Sure you are right, older M3 engines had their issues, but then, people drive them a bit differently than a Buick. "...
Well that is true, but I am thinking that takes the focus off the true scenario. It was really a series of engine design decisions, that they packed, for example the 2001 BMW M3 with performance features, increasing the likihood of it exploding / grenading. It is very unlikely the BWM M3 was made or marketed for the over 55 years old set, to get them to switch from their perfectly fine Buicks.
#301 of 392 Re: 320d with manual [ruking1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jan 25, 2009 (10:13 am)
Ah well like Sterling Moss is said to have said: "The perfect race car is the one that destroys itself right after crossing first over the finish line".
Every car is a compromise about something. The phenomenon you refer to is I think called "narrow engineering", wherein the manufacturer engineers the car to excel in one or two ranges of things while leaving the rest merely adequate at best.
I'm sure the 335d is a combination of compromises. Exactly what they are, I don't know, I haven't driven the car.
I think the truly "great" cars we remember did not do everything well, but rather did a few things brilliantly.
I think BMW engines were/are brilliant.
#302 of 392 Re: 320d with manual [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 25, 2009 (10:45 am)
Very odd or maybe I have been away too long from pricing BMW's, but $500. for heated seats....(BMW 335 D.)???? But I as well as you live in a globally warmed area. Now if they put those massage chair FEATURES you can try at Brookstone's..... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
#303 of 392 Re: 320d with manual [ruking1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jan 25, 2009 (11:53 am)
Ah yes the German Options List--a series of financial olympic jumps that the buyer goes through to ever increasing heights. BMWs option list is bold, Porsche's is shameless.
#304 of 392 Re: 320d with manual [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 25, 2009 (12:26 pm)
Ah yes!!! My cousin came by the house to let me drive his new (at the time) Porsche 911 Carrera S. WONDERFUL car, but yes, shameless on the option list !!!!
#305 of 392 Re: 320d with manual [ruking1]
Jan 25, 2009 (4:48 pm)
Very odd or maybe I have been away too long from pricing BMW's, but $500. for heated seats.
Funny you should mention that. The X5 35D I test drove Friday only had ONE option. The $500 heated seats. MSRP was $52XXX. I think it was stripped to use as a diesel demo. As fast as that X5 was with that engine. I can imagine in a small sedan it would run like a scalded ape. When it launches a 5225 lb SUV like it does I would think the small sedan would be over powered. It is 1400 lbs lighter than the X5. The diesel X5 is lighter than the V8 gasser with a lot more torque. The diesel would have to cut into the V8 sales. For me it is a no brainer.
#306 of 392 Re: 320d with manual [gagrice]
Jan 25, 2009 (5:04 pm)
So far that diesel engine( I-6 twin turbo) is in three BMW platforms that I have heard about: 335, 540, X5 35, !!
#307 of 392 Re: 320d with manual [ruking1]
Jan 25, 2009 (7:30 pm)
I did not know they were bringing a 540 diesel to the states.
#308 of 392 Re: 320d with manual [gagrice]
Jan 25, 2009 (8:11 pm)
I read it in passing in some article about the BMW 335 D. aka 535 D. They didn't get much into the details. I assumed its launch is TBD. I guess I was not too surprised by the reference, since one of Silicon Valley's top BMW dealers just got stock on the day I put the first miles on it !!???
#309 of 392 Re: 320d with manual [ruking1]
Jan 26, 2009 (5:43 am)
For those that think that gas is fast. This is an article from a recent magazine.
Aren't diesels slow?
How about this for an answer: I lost a race in the new 414-hp, V-8 M3 last week to a diesel. I pulled up to a red light next to my photographer's six-cylinder, automatic-transmission 530d station wagon. When the light turned green, I dumped the clutch from 2000 rpm and floored it. And the automatic diesel station wagon dusted my M3 off the line. I didn't catch up until 60 mph.