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BMW 3 Series, Diesel, Future Vehicle, Sedan
#19 of 392 I've Driven. . .
Feb 02, 2008 (2:12 pm)
diesels in Europe several times over the past six years or so and have grown to really like them. The first three were 1.9 litre Tdi's in Audi A3 or A4's & a Passat. After that I enjoyed an A4 on a vacation & a few Peugots in England on business trips. All delivered over 40 mpg (US gallons) & provided nice acceleration. The Audis showed me what a properly-handling vehicle with a diesel was all about, and I would have bought one in a heartbeat back here after returning home, if it were possible. It wasn't then (2001) and it isn't now.
I don't want to wave my (let's say ego) in the air with the biggest, baddest diesel (or gas motor, for that matter) that there is. I just want a 2 or 2.5 litre diesel in a vehicle designed for good handling. The BMW 2 or 2.5 or the Audi equivalent would suit me just fine. It doesn't look like it's going to be available for the next couple of years however, if ever.
Honda (Acura) is bringing their 2.2 litre diesel to the U.S. for the TSX & one of their SUV's either this year or next. I'm following that closely, as it more nearly meets my desires than the big BMW motor. Plus which, I'm not sure how long it'll take for the whole diesel thing to settle down at the BMW (& possibly Audi) dealers.
I may end up driving a new gas engine car for a couple or three years while it all settles out, but I'm very much predisposed to get a diesel in a premium brand, if I can do it without worrying about getting to 60 in under 6 (or 5) seconds.
#20 of 392 Re: I've Driven. . . [cdnpinhead]
Feb 02, 2008 (2:33 pm)
Now that's logic I can agree with.
The TSX diesel will probably weigh 400-500 lbs less than the 335d. 40 MPG from a peppy 2.2L diesel makes a lot of sense.
#21 of 392 Re: I've Driven. . . [fedlawman]
Feb 03, 2008 (7:59 pm)
re TSX -- will it be available with a manual trans?
#22 of 392 Re: I've Driven. . . [fedlawman]
Feb 03, 2008 (8:00 pm)
re TSX -- will it be available with a manual trans? Auto only is the downside of the 335d.
#23 of 392 Re: I've Driven. . . [nkeen]
Feb 04, 2008 (5:46 am)
Don't know yet, but sincerely hope so -- without a manual, I won't buy it. However, since the Tsx is the European (& Australian?) Accord, I would imagine the diesel with a manual is the standard (sorry) setup. I guess we'll find out in the next few months.
It may be available later this year, or possibly not until next. I've heard both versions, but nothing definitive yet.
#24 of 392 Re: I've Driven. . . [nkeen]
Feb 04, 2008 (1:36 pm)
Aw geez, are you telling me that BMW is actually now planning to sell a 3 Series without an available manual? In the words of Slim Pickens in Blazing Saddles, "now I am depressed."
#25 of 392 Re: I've Driven. . . [bhill2]
Feb 05, 2008 (7:00 pm)
Yep, I think the 330d is the top of the range for manual diesels in the UK, perhaps other European countries also.
#26 of 392 Re: I've Driven. . . [nkeen]
Feb 13, 2008 (12:56 pm)
Anyone here that's been to/lives in Europe (perhaps a BMW employee or mechanic) know what the mechanical difference is between the 330d and 335d?
I ask because there was little difference between the 325 and 330 when sold in the US except engine software, intake and exhaust. So technically, for the tuner it was cheaper to buy the 325 and buy a 330's ECU as an instant plug-in upgrade.
And since the 330d and 335d are both twin-variable-vane-turbo 3.0L inline-6 diesels, would it be possible to one day do an ECU swap in the 330d manual and get the car you want for less?
#27 of 392 Re: I've Driven. . . [trueteller]
Feb 13, 2008 (1:09 pm)
"I ask because there was little difference between the 325 and 330 when sold in the US except engine software, intake and exhaust. So technically, for the tuner it was cheaper to buy the 325 and buy a 330's ECU as an instant plug-in upgrade."
Ummm, no, not even close. There are a great many differences between the 325i and the 330i, not the least of which are the three-track intake on the 330i versus the single track intake on the 325i, the larger and more robust transmission on the 330i as well as the larger and more capable brakes on the 330i. The truth if the matter is that it is FAAAAR cheaper to buy a 330i than it is to buy a 325i and then try to upgrade it.
#28 of 392 Re: I've Driven. . . [shipo]
Feb 13, 2008 (1:52 pm)
Discounting factors outside of the engine, all components were compatible, yes? I believe I mentioned the intake. And I'm no BMW tuner, but I'm guessing it wouldn't cost $6K to get an extra 40hp out of a 325i. One might even save the 100lbs by not cloning the 330i entirely.
The real point to my question was if the 330d comes in manual and so far the 335d comes in auto, is there anything preventing a person from upgrading their 330d's engine to 335d level?