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BMW 335d 2009+

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#118 of 392 Re: Not good enough [gagrice] by jlbl

Jun 15, 2008 (4:48 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Jun 14, 2008 4:50 pm)
In the last 15,500 miles of her 62,000 miles (the last year of her four years), my former 2004 530d averaged 38 miles per gallon on a highway/mountain-road mixture (2-3 passengers, heavy luggage most of the time and speeds up to 96 miles per hour on the highway). (0-62 miles is nominally 7.1 secs for 2004 530d bimmers.)
 
In her last year as well, that 530d got 42 miles per gallon in quieter highway cruises at 81 miles•hour (cruise-averaged) carrying 2 people with luggage.
 
The yearly averaged highway/mountain-road consume of that 530d improved by 8.6% from first to fourth year (35>38 miles per gallon). Thus I expect the yearly-averaged mileage of my present 335d might well improve up to 34.5 miles per gallon in four years.
 
My conclusion is that a 530d (and other mono-turbo diesel engines with equal or less displacement) is an excellent consume/performance combination for everyday purposes even with the current diesel prices. Twin-turbo -35d engines are just biased towards performance.
 
At the time they decided to introduce the 335d but not other diesels, BMW USA probably thought American buyers would prefer performer diesels instead of frugal ones. Yet the current diesel prices can turn that decision into a very bad one.
 
Regards,
Jose

#119 of 392 Re: Not good enough [gagrice] by nopcbs

Jun 15, 2008 (5:19 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Jun 14, 2008 4:50 pm)
Where I live, MI, regular is $4.05 and diesel is just under $5. Your numbers are much more favorable for diesel and I agree with you that with those numbers the MB diesel (which only adds ~$1,000 to ~2,000 to the cost of an E-class) is a sensible purchase.
 
I like the MB diesel. It appears to be a better engine than what BMW is importing into the US, in terms of mileage...using the numbes that BMW has released.
 
Again, BMW has chosen to import a diesel model that gives marginally better mileage and costs (likely) considerably more than a comparable gas engine, and uses more expensive (by a lot, in at least some places) fuel...into a fuel-cost crisis environment.
 
Someone is asleep at the wheel in Germany.

#120 of 392 Re: Not good enough [jlbl] by nopcbs

Jun 15, 2008 (5:21 am)

Replying to: jlbl (Jun 15, 2008 4:48 am)
All we have to go by for comparison with BMW gas engines of the 335d diessel to be sold here are BMW's own numbers and they show only marginally better mileage numbers.

#121 of 392 Re: Not good enough [nopcbs] by gagrice

Jun 15, 2008 (6:21 am)

Replying to: nopcbs (Jun 15, 2008 5:21 am)
According to Carpages in the UK the 335D SE gets 52.3 highway which converts to 43.55 MPG US. I think our friend in Spain could get close to that if he was driving at a lower speed. By comparison the 335i SE gets 33.64 MPG US out on the Highway. That is about a 25% increase in mileage. The EPA only rates the 335i at 26 MPG highway. Until diesel production catches up with demand in the USA it will be a tough sell. I know when I bought my Passat TDI, diesel fuel was more than regular and I got the car under Invoice. When I sold it diesel was less than regular. So I made $3 grand. Typical American knee jerk reaction.

#122 of 392 Re: Not good enough [gagrice] by jlbl

Jun 15, 2008 (8:59 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Jun 15, 2008 6:21 am)
driving a lower speed
 
Yup, I'm far of being a hypermiler, but my wife is even farther.
 
Regards,
Jose

#123 of 392 Re: Not good enough [jlbl] by gagrice

Jun 15, 2008 (4:55 pm)

Replying to: jlbl (Jun 15, 2008 8:59 am)
Jose,
Your time to you is worth more than the price of diesel. I can understand that. We have people here that would pass laws to make everyone drive a sleepy 55 MPH. It would be nice to have the option to open her up and see how well she runs at 100 MPH. That is just a trip to jail here in the land of the free

#124 of 392 Re: Not good enough [jlbl] by circlew

Jun 16, 2008 (2:41 pm)

Replying to: jlbl (Jun 15, 2008 4:48 am)
Jose, correct as usual...now MB is fighting back. Perhaps BMW will be at their side.
 
link title
 
Regards,
OW

#125 of 392 Re: Not good enough [circlew] by gagrice

Jun 16, 2008 (4:47 pm)

Replying to: circlew (Jun 16, 2008 2:41 pm)
“For the customer, if they experience the advantages of diesel, they will stay with diesel anyway,” he insisted.
 
“The technology is 20 to 30 percent more efficient than gasoline and has more torque at lower rpm and that’s what most buyers actually use.”
 
Those are the two main reasons I like to drive a diesel vehicle. The price will not deter me until diesel is 30% higher than gas. At the worst it was about 15% higher here in San Diego. Right now it is about 7% more for diesel than Regular unleaded.

#126 of 392 Re: Not good enough [gagrice] by circlew

Jun 17, 2008 (5:14 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Jun 16, 2008 4:47 pm)
I agree it's the way to go. Sooner or later the price will moderate.
 
Here is the current averages for CA. 2% higher (vs. PU) is not that bad but you can see the difference from last year when it was 9.7% lower!!
 
                      Regular Mid Premium Diesel
Current Avg. $4.603 $4.900 $4.980 $5.125
Yesterday Avg. $4.600 $4.897 $4.977 $5.127
Month Ago Avg. $3.963 $4.218 $4.288 $4.805
Year Ago Avg. $3.239 $3.448 $3.505 $3.161
 
Regards,
OW

#127 of 392 Re: Not good enough [circlew] by jlbl

Jun 17, 2008 (12:35 pm)

Replying to: circlew (Jun 17, 2008 5:14 am)
Regular Mid Premium Diesel
Current Avg. $4.603 $4.900 $4.980 $5.125
 
Right now diesel in Spain is 5.5% more expensive than 95 ON unleaded gasoline but 4.8% cheaper than 98 ON unleaded gasoline. Over here we keep buying diesel cars if the expected mileage is over 15,000 miles per year. Diesel engine durability and car resale value help to our addiction.
 
I am very satisfied with my 335d coupe now I am getting used to her automatic transmission. The combination of power, torque and sport suspension is a joy. My driving pleasure makes up for the higher consume I'm paying (as compared to the former 530d one).
 
Regards,
Jose

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