Article Comments - 2008 Subaru Legacy Boxer Diesel

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European First Drive: 2008 Subaru Legacy Boxer Diesel - Kenichi Yamamoto, the man in charge of the development of this car, makes no secret of Subaru's lofty ambitions for the 2008 Subaru Legacy Boxer Diesel, which features the world's first horizontally opposed diesel engine for passenger cars. (more)

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#71 of 72 Re: SUBARU BOXER DIESEL [gagrice] by ateixeira Mar 04, 2009 (7:37 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Mar 03, 2009 9:32 pm) Don't hold back for our sake. The biggest obstacle right now, IMHO, are the varying levels of emissions rules in different states. Many diesels could be sold here in MD, but not in Cali, due to more stringent CARB standards. Sure, the new clean diesels meet those standards but that equipment adds even more to the price premium diesels already command. Go price a BMW 335d. So diesels cost more, clean diesels cost a lot more, and this country does not have one single emissions standard to be met, so car makers can't even sell a diesel that meets MD standards in Cali. That would limit sales volumes even more, or they'd have to sell 2 diesels, or they'd have to sell only the more expensive cleaner diesel variety. I won't get in to the politics of it all, but suffice it to say, if demand for diesel in the US increases, diesel prices would increase even more, and it's already more expensive than gasoline. So expect diesels to trickle in to the market, not pour in. Replies to this message: gagrice (Mar 04, 2009 9:42 pm)
#72 of 72 Re: SUBARU BOXER DIESEL [ateixeira] by gagrice Mar 04, 2009 (9:42 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 04, 2009 7:37 am) In San Diego today Diesel is equal to or less than RUG. The cost difference in the BMW X5 35d is less than the V8 model which it is more than competitive with. It has significantly more torque on only a fraction of a second slower from 0-60 MPH. Compared to my V8 Sequoia the X5 diesel is a rocket. It is a driving experience worth the trip to the dealer. Add on the Tax credit and you are in for a decent price considering what you will have. And no reason you should not get 30 MPG on the highway unless you do not like driving under 85 MPH. I do agree that the EPA should be the one agency setting the emissions standards. No wonder the auto industry is in disarray with trying to keep up with multiple government agencies and the stupid demands.

#71 of 72: Re: SUBARU BOXER DIESEL [gagrice] by ateixeira; Mar 04, 2009 (7:37 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 03, 2009 9:32 pm)

Don't hold back for our sake.

The biggest obstacle right now, IMHO, are the varying levels of emissions rules in different states.

Many diesels could be sold here in MD, but not in Cali, due to more stringent CARB standards. Sure, the new clean diesels meet those standards but that equipment adds even more to the price premium diesels already command. Go price a BMW 335d.

So diesels cost more, clean diesels cost a lot more, and this country does not have one single emissions standard to be met, so car makers can't even sell a diesel that meets MD standards in Cali. That would limit sales volumes even more, or they'd have to sell 2 diesels, or they'd have to sell only the more expensive cleaner diesel variety.

I won't get in to the politics of it all, but suffice it to say, if demand for diesel in the US increases, diesel prices would increase even more, and it's already more expensive than gasoline.

So expect diesels to trickle in to the market, not pour in.

gagrice (Mar 04, 2009 9:42 pm)

#72 of 72: Re: SUBARU BOXER DIESEL [ateixeira] by gagrice; Mar 04, 2009 (9:42 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 04, 2009 7:37 am)

In San Diego today Diesel is equal to or less than RUG. The cost difference in the BMW X5 35d is less than the V8 model which it is more than competitive with. It has significantly more torque on only a fraction of a second slower from 0-60 MPH. Compared to my V8 Sequoia the X5 diesel is a rocket. It is a driving experience worth the trip to the dealer. Add on the Tax credit and you are in for a decent price considering what you will have. And no reason you should not get 30 MPG on the highway unless you do not like driving under 85 MPH.

I do agree that the EPA should be the one agency setting the emissions standards. No wonder the auto industry is in disarray with trying to keep up with multiple government agencies and the stupid demands.