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72 messages,  Last post on Mar 04, 2009 at 10:42 PM

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European First Drive: 2008 Subaru Legacy Boxer Diesel - Kenichi Yamamoto, the man in charge of the development of this car, makes no secret of Subaru's lofty ambitions for the 2008 Subaru Legacy Boxer Diesel, which features the world's first horizontally opposed diesel engine for passenger cars. (more)

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#66 of 72 by pilot1226

Nov 18, 2008 (10:52 am)

Unfortunately, if prices don't swing back to what they *were*, I will pass on the next Diesel Outback.
 
It's only $1.89 for Regular Unleaded here in NJ (Costco Gasoline), but it's still around $3.00 - maybe more - for Diesel fuel in my local area.
 
The Legacy now gets about 30 mpg with all the combined hwy/city I do, I'd need to get 45 mpg to just "break even".
 
It's quite the conundrum - it's like the Hybrid Cars. Do you want to pay an extra 10,000 now and save 12,500 in gasoline over the next 10 years, or do you want to pay 10,000 less for a car, and pay a little bit more for gas over the next decade?
 
Tough call indeed.

#67 of 72 Re: [pilot1226] by xwesx

Nov 18, 2008 (2:02 pm)

Replying to: pilot1226 (Nov 18, 2008 10:52 am)
Holy smokes! $1.89?! I will never see those prices again, but I fully expected that none of us would see them. Fuel here in Fairbanks, AK remains firmly planted above $3.00. But, hey, that's what having a monopoly is all about.

#68 of 72 Re: [pilot1226] by ateixeira

Nov 18, 2008 (2:32 pm)

Replying to: pilot1226 (Nov 18, 2008 10:52 am)
Costco gas is awesome.
 
Around here gas is $2.19 and diesel is $3.19. Like you said, pretty much stacked against the diesel. You'll break even, but only after a very long period.
 
Of course oil is $55/barrel and who knows how long it will stay that low. Remember when it broke $140?

#69 of 72 SUBARU BOXER DIESEL by jason_carpp

Mar 03, 2009 (8:40 pm)

My mom owns a 2006 Subaru Outback and I've driven the car a few times. I loved driving it. Because of its boxer engine, its centre of gravity is lower and easier to drive than my Toyota Corolla. The only fault I have with it is the gas mileage. It probably gets around 18 mpgs overall. If it were available in the USA with a Boxer Diesel engine, I'd buy it straightaway. In diesel form, it probably gets around 25-30 city/highway mpgs. I hate having to wait until it meets US emmision standards, I want the car now! The US govt. wants us to drive vehicles that get better than 20mpgs, yet they're unwilling to allow us to drive vehicles that natuarally get better mileage! Diesels get better mileage than their gasoline equivolent. Why the hell doesn't the US govt. want diesel cars and trucks in this country? It doesn't make sense!

#70 of 72 Re: SUBARU BOXER DIESEL [jason_carpp] by gagrice

Mar 03, 2009 (10:32 pm)

Replying to: jason_carpp (Mar 03, 2009 8:40 pm)
Welcome to the Forum.
 
What you are seeing is who controls our Congress, President, EPA and CARB. BIG OIL. They have gas to sell and lots of it. They do not want YOU to get 30-50 MPG. They want you to get 20-25 MPG MAX. Anything you here from a politician is lip service to make you believe they are interested in cutting the use of Fossil Fuel. It is all a BIG FAT LIE. It has been the same story for over 100 years. They have too much gas and not enough diesel refined from each barrel of oil. The few of US that know diesel is a superior fuel are ignored by our leaders. The masses, well, they are the masses. They will take what ever is offered them. Gas vehicles are CRAP pure and simple.

#71 of 72 Re: SUBARU BOXER DIESEL [gagrice] by ateixeira

Mar 04, 2009 (8:37 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 03, 2009 10:32 pm)
Don't hold back for our sake.
 
The biggest obstacle right now, IMHO, are the varying levels of emissions rules in different states.
 
Many diesels could be sold here in MD, but not in Cali, due to more stringent CARB standards. Sure, the new clean diesels meet those standards but that equipment adds even more to the price premium diesels already command. Go price a BMW 335d.
 
So diesels cost more, clean diesels cost a lot more, and this country does not have one single emissions standard to be met, so car makers can't even sell a diesel that meets MD standards in Cali. That would limit sales volumes even more, or they'd have to sell 2 diesels, or they'd have to sell only the more expensive cleaner diesel variety.
 
I won't get in to the politics of it all, but suffice it to say, if demand for diesel in the US increases, diesel prices would increase even more, and it's already more expensive than gasoline.
 
So expect diesels to trickle in to the market, not pour in.

#72 of 72 Re: SUBARU BOXER DIESEL [ateixeira] by gagrice

Mar 04, 2009 (10:42 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 04, 2009 8:37 am)
In San Diego today Diesel is equal to or less than RUG. The cost difference in the BMW X5 35d is less than the V8 model which it is more than competitive with. It has significantly more torque on only a fraction of a second slower from 0-60 MPH. Compared to my V8 Sequoia the X5 diesel is a rocket. It is a driving experience worth the trip to the dealer. Add on the Tax credit and you are in for a decent price considering what you will have. And no reason you should not get 30 MPG on the highway unless you do not like driving under 85 MPH.
 
I do agree that the EPA should be the one agency setting the emissions standards. No wonder the auto industry is in disarray with trying to keep up with multiple government agencies and the stupid demands.

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