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Replying to: toyoman3 (Feb 06, 2008 2:49 pm) Toyota has a well deserved reputation for high quality cars, but the Yaris (and the Echo before it) were built primarily to be cheap and efficient. That comes at a cost and it was obvious to me when I drove one what that cost was. The engine in the Chevy Aveo is old technology. It's showing its age in numerous ways. Namely, it doesn't pack as many ponies as similarly sized engines from the competition (Toyota and Honda among them), it's a little "rough" when it comes to noise, etc. But it is proven technology and I haven't heard of any substantial problems with it. There have been some issues with things like leaking oil plugs because of bad washers, and some bad timing belts, but I don't think you'll find any car at all that hasn't experienced some issues along the way. Yes, the Aveo was built to be "cheap and efficient" too. I'm aware of that and I'm aware of the trade offs I made in buying one instead of say, a Honda Civic or a Toyota Corolla or Camry. But... I think the Yaris, the Aveo and the Hyundai Accent, as well as the Kia Rio, are all pretty much in the same class when it comes to how reliable they're going to be. They're all at the bottom end of their product lines, and it shows to one degree or another, in all of them. I think Hyundai has gone a long way to proving that the days of Japanese dominance when it comes to reliability and quality at a low price are coming to a close. I'm saddened by the fact that no American manufacturer has stepped up to the plate in this regard. GM has a leg up on the competition with the Aveo. Ford and Chrysler have nothing in this class, which means they essentially give up that segment of the market entirely. The old Beetle was a dream of a car. But we'll never see the likes of it again, thanks to safety regulations. Oh, and of course, the 1971 Beetle packed a whopping 60 horses under the hood. Funny, I don't remember Beetle drivers complaining about that back then. And many Beetles that weren't reduced to Iron Oxide dust by North American road salt are still being lovingly cared for by collectors. Being sold today used for more than they sold for when new. That's what we need is another Beetle. Cheap enough for anyone with a steady job to buy, good on gas, and not painful to drive. OK, I'm rambling now. Need another beer. I'll shut up.
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for the domestics falling way behind in the race to build and sell a great small car is that they can't make a profit building and selling them. How depressing if you want to stay domestic in your purchases. I will say this, GM made a hella-smart move when they bought out Daewoo and formed their GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Company in 2002. That gave them access to all of Daewoo they wanted to pick from, drawings, workers , factories in South Korea, etc. And a great inroad in to the Asian automotive market. Twas a keen and cunning move, because their partnership with SAIC was already working well for them and GM is hugely popular in China with their vehicles. China is the 2nd largest automotive market in the world right now, behind the U.S. Lately GM has been working on small rigs a lot more and let's hope something bright, shiny and new will emerge. The Volt sounds like a money pit. I have seen some nice concepts in car magazines coming from Chevy in the last year or so and some of them genuinely look very, very promising, both in mechanical design and body design. I think some good things are gonna emerge from The General in the next year to five years and on. The Aveo seems to have some ticky-tack issues that have come up but nothing too worrisome, IIRC. The new '09 hatchback looks good, too. |
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Replying to: timseh (Feb 06, 2008 7:14 pm) |
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isn't that the Daewoo-made Pontiac that has such a bad rep in the U.S.? I mean, people just cringe when they talk about the car. But your experience was positive with the car, it sure sounds like anyway. Comments on the Lemans from Daewoo/Pontiac?
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Feb 10, 2008 9:38 am) The Opel Kadet which shared a similar body style had great fanfare in Europe and the Lemans did have that German Getrag 4-speed manual trans which was descent. |
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| competent manual transmission producer. So, other than a few electrical and moisture intrusion problems and some fit and finish issues the car was decent. That price was sure right, for sure. | |
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Don't forget about the Fit. We drove the Aveo, Yaris and Fit , my wife is replacing a 01 Grand Caravan and wanted something more fuel efficient. When considering the options that the base Fit has as standard equipment, the price difference between a comparable Aveo and Yaris really is about $1200.00. The Fit handles better, has better interior and build quality and decent fuel economy, and great resale. I hated the Yaris interior. The Aveo has the best warrany and price. We went with the Fit, already have 2000 miles on it, a great fun little car, with great fuel economy and enough interior room for 2 kids and a Golden Lab.
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Replying to: ls6454 (Feb 19, 2008 5:52 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Feb 20, 2008 11:07 am) I was about to buy Aveo, I was loving it, the OTD price for LS automatic sedan here in AL was $13600. I loved the design, ride, warranty etc. Then I found this: http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx then somebody said: "of 10 Aveo wrecks there were 5 cars where people died in. Nice car to drive, just, please, don't get into an accident" That changed everything. Its side crash rating by IIHS is horrible. Most likely you will die in it even if it has STANDARD side airbags. But those are very tiny and provide almost no protection. Yaris is another story. It also has horrible ratings when comes without OPTIONAL ($650) side and curtain airbags. But when you buy one with those, it is just great. See for yourself. Price difference? $1800. Yep. There are no Yarises with side airbags without power packages installed. My dealers didn't find any sedans, at least. Sedan, alloy wheels, ABS, MP3 radio, curtain airbags, power windows/locks, fog lights - you have to pay for everything mentioned even if you don't need it. Mine came out $15400 OTD, and I had to fight for that price. Original quote was $16150 I wish I could get Aveo since I loved it so much. But I've got Yaris solely based on its safety with curtain airbags, since it's for my wife and it's her first car. Please, stay safe and drive safely. All the best to you.
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Replying to: newcrvman (Feb 21, 2008 2:46 pm) As for "of 10 Aveo wrecks there were 5 cars where people died in." Show me the statistics. If 50% of all wrecks involving Aveos resulted in a fatality, I think we would have heard something about that on the news by now. Don't believe everything you read on the interwebs. I'm not saying safety shouldn't be a concern, and I'm not criticizing you for putting that above other criteria. List on the Base Aveo Sedan is 12,330. I found one with an upgraded stereo that bumps the price to $12,655. That's a difference of $2,800 between the Aveo and Yaris. To top it off, I got a GM suppliers discount thanks to my employer, which translated to a bottom line price of $11,600 (before taxes). That's a difference of $3,855. That was a deal I couldn't pass up. Of course, I'm probably a bit older than you. Divorced. The kids are grown and gone now. It's just me. I will probably put all of 8,000 to 9,000 miles a year on my car since I home office. I wish you many many miles of enjoyment from your new Yaris. 
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