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Re: Is this a good deal? [sam_peyton] by lfo
Mar 20, 2009 (2:33 pm)
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Replying to: sam_peyton (Mar 20, 2009 10:20 am)

Well I seem to have gone backward. Today I got someone to $9000 off MSRP. Basically a $42000 MSRP down to $33000, then add on tax and tags. Via phone, I had some other dealers suggesting they could do $1000 cheaper than that, so $10000 off MSRP, but I guess I need to test that by walking into the dealership and making them put pen to paper. I would think anywhere between 9k and 10k down from MSRP is the best outcome possible. The person a few posts up who said $33k out the door for a $41k MSRP, wow, that is far better than what I have seen. My quotes about are not out the door prices. Unless CA has hardly any sales tax, then it might be comparable to what I am seeing. My sales tax is like $2k alone.
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Re: Is this a good deal? [lfo] by lfo
Mar 21, 2009 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: lfo (Mar 20, 2009 2:33 pm)

Ok I sealed my deal and here it is in case it helps anyone. It was $1000 cheaper, if you account for trade, than the dealer I haggled long and hard with last night.
 
$32,360 OTD. That includes about $1800 worth of tax and $250 registration/title. So price to me for the car was $31,800. The MSRP was $42225. So I was able to get them $10,500 below MSRP after all. It was an EX35 AWD with the Premium Pkg and the Luxe Style Pkg and then other odds and ends, like splash guards, rails and crossbars, cargo cover, and wood. They wanted to charge a random processing fee, but they said they needed $100 to be there and so then they just lowered the car to $31,700. It's all the same money. There was a difference of $300 on the trade between dealers (got hosed from both, but what can you do) and $600 on the car and another $100 in a processing fee difference, so a grand separating them. Anyway hope that helps.
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Re: Is this a good deal? [lfo] by lfo
Mar 21, 2009 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: lfo (Mar 21, 2009 10:42 am)

Ok I realized my last post wasn't clear.
 
Dealer 1: Best offer was 32,400 on MSRP of 41,800, and I felt like I had to really work to get them to that. 100 processing fee. Taxes and tags separate. 1200 for my trade (not happy about that, but my 2002 Audi had 155,000 miles on it and just had a transmission failure which would be a grand to 3 grand to fix). Probably should have checked CARMAX for the trade, but was thinking even just to donate it and take a small tax deduction.
 
Dealer 2: Best offer was 31,800 on MSRP of 42,225. No random fees (well they did have a 100 fee but they adjusted the car price to 31,700 to account for that). Taxes and tags separate. 1500 for my trade (first offered 900 but I talked them up; maybe should have tried to get to 2000 but didn't want to push my luck; unlikely they noticed the mechanical issues since they just eyeballed it and I think was feeling not so hopeful based on last dealer trade number which maybe it was an error to let that affect me).
 
So, if you take the trade out of the picture (and I did get set pricing and did all heavy negotiating even before mentioning I was trading anything; said I needed to call my father at the end and oh after all he says I have to do a trade), Dealer 1 was at 32,400 for the car and 34,700 OTD. Dealer 2 was 31,800 for the car and 33,860 OTD. Factor in trade and Dealer 1 was 33,499 OTD and Dealer 2 was 32,366 OTD. 1,100 difference. My numbers are a teeny off b/c I was randomly rounding.
 
Of course Dealer 1 was insistent that they could not go down any further and doubted I could get better when I said I had better offers. They had me wondering for a second, but I really had done good legwork which ultimately gave me the upper hand, but their tactics were working as well in some respects. They thought I would get secret fees added in etc. at the other dealers. Anyway I felt I got just about the best possible price on the car at Dealer 2 so I didn't go farther and just inked it. Had emailed pricing with 3 other dealers and felt my best chance at a steal was with Dealer 2 anyway. Only regret is if I could have eeked out more $ on my old car somewhere (private sale or CARMAX or whereever). But I tell you, it was easy, they just took it away without any trouble to me.
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Re: Is this a good deal? [lfo] by Zanboor
Mar 21, 2009 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: lfo (Mar 21, 2009 2:34 pm)

You got a pretty good deal. No worries. Compared to mine, at least.
 
In my case, CARMAX gave me $23,000 US dollars for my trade which was costing me an arm and a leg for stupid things to fix aside from dealing with their gouging dealerships (BMW).
 
The Infiniti dealer asked $36,325 USD (before taxes) for an EX, RWD, Premium, Tech, Lux, Wood, Tint, splash guard, rail and crossbars and offered $22,500 USD for the trade so, I went ahead with it. Mainly coz I didn't want to keep my X car.
 
In Texas, we don't pay taxes on the value of trade (6.25%). We only pay on the difference. So, this made my trade worth about $24,000 USD by saving me an extra $1500 in taxes.
 
All in all, it was about $8,700 USD below MSRP (before taxes).
 
Cheers!
Pronse.
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Re: Is this a good deal? [lfo] by sam_peyton
Mar 21, 2009 (9:05 pm)
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Replying to: lfo (Mar 21, 2009 2:34 pm)

That is amazing. I am not sure how you and all these people are getting so much off MSRP. My dealership here is Kansas City, wouldn't even match what the dealership in St. Louis was doing which was the $8500 off MSRP, and $13500 for my trade- which according to KKB was only worth $12800. My trade was an 07 Ford Escape is good condition with less than 20,000 miles on it. I bought it new in March '07 and still owe $15822. I am never going to buy a domestic again- they lose their value so quickly. So St. Louis on an MSRP of $43125, was giving me it at $34625-13500 (trade)=$21125+15822 (trade pay-off)=$36947.12 (no TTL or fee)
 
So after talking to them and their manager the KC dealership was only willing to take the 8500 off MSRP and give me $12000 for my trade, and they were trying to sell me one that was Black which was not my color of choice. So MSRP $42675-8500=$34175-12000 (trade)=22175+ 15822(trade pay off)=$37997
 
The second St. Louis dealership MSRP $42675, Offer was $39342 with trade pay-off, didn't break it up. I straight up told them that was the worst offer I received.
The Wichita dealership was willing to take $9760 off MSRP but they did not want my trade at all, but the MSRP on that vehicle was $1250 higher (luxe style package), and car max would only give me $13000 for my trade, so $44375-9760=34615.0- 13000 (trade-in car max)=21615+15822 (trade pay off)=$37437
 
These numbers do not include tax, title, or license.
KC Dealer MSRP $42674, Price $37997
St. Louis MSRP $43125, Price $36947
St. Louis (second) MSRP $42675, Price $39342
Wichita MSRP $44375, Price $37437
 
I called/traded emails dealers from Louisville, Kentucky, all over Illinois,Nebraska, Iowa, and Wisconsin. I could not get anyone to give me a better deal. I was willing to travel and take my trade off the table.
 
Is anyone who has gotten these great deals (10000+ off MSRP) located in the Midwest?
 
I really wanted to buy it from the dealer in Wichita and he tried hard to help me break even with the St. Louis dealership since Wichita was closer and he would even meet me half way to deliver my vehicle but he couldn't quite get there and I couldn't justify spending more since the vehicle in St. Louis had everything I wanted and Wichita extra package didn't matter to me.
 
I finally went with that St. Louis dealership giving me the 8500 off MSRP and 13500 for my trade. I really like their service and they gave some extras like paint and fabric guard, personal assistant (conceigere) for 3 months, key assistance for one year, and free dent repair for one year. Plus they had the color I wanted.
 
I picked up the vehicle today and I love it.
Platinum Graphite AWD Journey
Navigation
Premium Package
Splash
Cargo Protector
Roof rails/cross bars
Wood
It is beautiful but I feel I over paid for it.
 
But I live in the KC area and I had to drive to St. Louis because KC wouldn't even come close in my trade.
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Re: Is this a good deal? [sam_peyton] by lfo
Mar 22, 2009 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: sam_peyton (Mar 21, 2009 9:05 pm)

Well actually if you got a grand more than KBB for your trade then really it's essentially like you got 9500 off of the car, which is right on the mark for within range of best possible you can get I think. It's all the same money. I probably should have gotten a grand more for my car - still kicking myself majorly for not going for it more on that - but it's too late now. So ultimately I think I had the same sort of deal as you, all things considered. BTW, maybe it is a midwest thing. Anyway, I think you should feel good about your deal. If you look back just 6 months ago on this board, people were paying way more for your car. And I love the Platinum Graphite...that was my first choice, but I didn't want to pay 1100 more for it.
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Re: Is this a good deal? [Zanboor] by lfo
Mar 22, 2009 (9:07 am)
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Replying to: Zanboor (Mar 21, 2009 5:13 pm)

I'm not sure what I could have done differently on the trade. I think they lowballed me on it b/c they knew they had given me the most off possible on the new car. So they tried to make some of their money back on the trade. The car had KBB/Nada/Edmunds of 2400-3500 for poor condition. Like I said, it needed a new transmission or some sort of throttle thing, costing anywhere from 1000-4000 to fix. It had some other smaller issues as well, mechanical and cosmetic. Maybe the "poor" condition prices account for that, or maybe not that big of a mechanical issue. Anyway, I think a fair price for the trade would have been 2000-2500 (meanwhile it cost me 33k new, so major depreciation). So I got $500 less and I'm just trying to tell myself ok then it's like you got 10k off MSRP instead of 10.5k, which is still great, in order to not drive myself crazy. And it was easy. No annoyance selling it on Craigslist or donating it (for probably just a 3000 deduction).
 
But, now I know, go for it and let them say no. I have no idea why I didn't bring out the KBB print out I had and let them explain to me why they aren't giving me the 2400 for poor condition. Dang it!
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Re: Is this a good deal? [lfo] by sam_peyton
Mar 23, 2009 (10:04 am)
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Replying to: lfo (Mar 22, 2009 8:57 am)

I love my new EX, as I was driving home from St. Louis I was so scared I would wreck it, and they are so many little gadgets, it was hard to not get distracted by them.
You are probably right. I feel pretty good about the trade especially since my Kansas City dealership would only give me $12000, but the KC dealership doesn't own any other brands and they wouldn't put my Ford Escape on their Infiniti lot, they would have had to sell it whole sale. However, the St. Louis dealership owns 12 other brands and so they were probably going to out my car on one of their lots, so I think they'll actually make money on my trade. Oh well, but I did get more than KKB and Car max said so I can't complain.
Besides the dealership in St. Louis give you one of those easy care packages (dent repair X 1 year, keycare X 1 year, and personal assistant X 90 minutes within the first 3 months), and gave me complimentary paint and fabric protection) with the purchase.
I have purchase 3 cars new and I have never been in and out of a dealership faster, they didn't even try to sell me any additional items.
 
It was totally worth it driving to St. Louis to get that Platinum Graphite one. The dealership in KC said that we are within a few hundred dollars of the deal St. Louis was offering, wouldn't you rather buy it from us and not have to drive all the way there and back? I said that it is a few hundred cheaper in St. Louis and it is the color I want. Isn't it silly that they would even offer me a better deal since they knew that the other dealership had the other color I wanted?
 
All it really cost me was one tank of gas and a day of my time and I got the car I wanted in the color I wanted and the best deal I could find. I didn't think I wanted the wood, but now I am glad I got it, it looks really good! Even the roof rails look better on the platinum graphite color versus the black.
 
I am going to stop checking this forum for better deals, I need to get over it because it is done and I can't go back in time! Besides I LOVE my car!
#290 of 393
by design52
Mar 24, 2009 (5:58 am)
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Well, to make a long thread longer…
 
I’ve been working with (2) dealerships in Ohio and they seem to be giving me abysmal offers. Will be doing their 0.9% financing deal with $5k down and a $2k trade in on a Honda Accord.
 
MSRP: $43,875.00
Discount: $3,248.00
Selling Price: $40,627.00
Doc Fee: $250.00
Taxes: $2,657.01
     Subtotal: $43,534.01
License Fee: $25.50
   OTD Total: $43,559.51
 
I’ve been working on them for days and they refuse to budge from their original, seemingly “take it or leave it” offer.
 
WTF am I doing wrong? Am I missing something?
 
Scott in Ohio
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Re: [design52] by lfo
Mar 24, 2009 (8:22 am)
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Replying to: design52 (Mar 24, 2009 5:58 am)

You're not doing anything wrong. We are getting such big discounts because we are forfeiting the 0.9% financing. At least I'm pretty sure no one is getting 10k off plus 0.9% financing. You have to take an either/or. You should be able to negotiate out of that $250 doc fee or any processing fee, either way. When you look through this thread, look for what people paid with the 0.9% financing so you are comparing apples to apples. As an interesting exercise, ask those dealers if they can give you the car for $33k even + taxes and tags and no processing fee with 4.9% financing. Then I guess you pick which one makes most financial sense to you.

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