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#1 of 33 Diesel TSX in '08
Jan 21, 2008 (4:52 pm)
Just heard today that the European diesel Tsx is supposed to be released in North America sometime next summer as an '09 model.
Sounds very promising to me. Anyone else heard anything or have any details? I've been holding off replacing my present manual sports sedan until I can get something I really want, since it's hanging in there pretty well. No diesel 3-series BMWs anytime soon (if ever) & no diesel C-series Mercs either. Besides which, the 3-series offers only RFT's (with no spare) & eliminated the dipstick in favor of an oil level sensor that has been troublesome; recent Mercs have a miserable reliability reputation, especially regarding electrical/electronics.
While the gas Tsx has a few drawbacks (IMHO), relative to the RWD Europeans, the diesel will certainly put it way higher on my list. I drove a modern diesel A3 several years ago in Germany & fell in love with the engine (& the car too, for that matter). No diesel A3's or A4's in North America anytime soon, either. The Audi had a 1.9 litre & I think the Acura unit is a 2.2. That's about all I know, so far.
It's also interesting that Acura is looking at introducing a couple of diesels next year (Tsx & the SUV, I think), while Honda has to make do with hybrids. Looks like Honda Motor Co. thinks the diesel is more upscale.
I couldn't agree more.
#2 of 33 Re: Diesel TSX in '08 [cdnpinhead]
Jan 22, 2008 (5:00 pm)
Disagree that diesel is more upscale. I think Honda must be concerned that they can't initially produce enough diesels for the Accord market and/or they want to maximize the profit by putting the diesels in the Acura line first. It is puzzling and disappointing to me.
#3 of 33 Re: Diesel TSX in '08 [blufz1]
Jan 22, 2008 (5:14 pm)
I'll throw in with you regarding the production capacity to deal with diesels in the volumes Honda sells in the U.S. market (assuming those fickle Americans will really opt for an Asian diesel). Starting with an Acura almost no one buys (in the case of the TSX) is certainly a way to stick a toe in the water.
However, BMW, Benz & Audi appear to be putting their diesels in the bigger stuff first (if & when it actually happens). That sends me the message that they wish it to be perceived as a high-end item, as opposed to something that just goes on the (relatively) cheap stuff. If Acura actually comes through with the 2.2 in the TSX, it'll be the first one in a luxury (well Honda thinks so) brand's entry level vehicle sold in NA.
I'd really like to see the A3, small C or 1-series BMW diesels in the States, but I'm not holding my breath.
#4 of 33 Re: Diesel TSX in '08 [cdnpinhead]
Jan 22, 2008 (7:36 pm)
Maybe this is not so strange. The TSX appears to be the apprxomate size of the european accord which is available with the diesel. I think the new accord may be to big for the 2.2 and may require a diesel v6 which is not quite ready for prime time.
#5 of 33 Re: Diesel TSX in '08 [cdnpinhead]
Jan 22, 2008 (8:12 pm)
Just to clarify a few things. The new diesel will debut in North America in the TSX in calendar year 2009, it will probably be a 2010 model. I've got some information on the new engine on my site here; satoauto.com
#6 of 33 Re: Diesel TSX in '08 [satoauto]
Jan 22, 2008 (8:26 pm)
Oh man! Bad news.
Based on your information, Acura is no closer than several of the others, but it does sound like it'll be worthy when it does arrive.
Thanks for the update/input.
#7 of 33 diesel tsx
Jan 23, 2008 (3:00 am)
it would be nice if it were a turbo-diesel. as the owner of a 1976 mercedes 300d, 1980 mercedes 300sd, 1980 Volvo diesel, 1983 Mitsubishi Turbo-diesel Truck (a favorite)and a 1985 volvo turbo-diesel it would be nice to see more diesel vehicles in this country
#8 of 33 Re: diesel tsx [nj2pa2nc]
Jan 23, 2008 (3:59 pm)
The new i-DTEC 4 cylinder is a turbo.
#9 of 33 Re: diesel tsx [satoauto]
Jan 24, 2008 (2:45 am)
sounding good so far but it would sound even better if they offer it with 6MT.
#10 of 33 Re: diesel tsx [nj2pa2nc]
Jan 24, 2008 (10:35 am)
I totally agree, but there are (in my opinion) a few problems. The diesel is expected to produce a lot of torque, more torque than any engine in our lineup. This means the TSX must use the V-6 transmission and most likely the SH-AWD system. This drivetrain has been out since 2003 in the RL and later in the RDX and MDX. To date, Acura has not developed a manual transmission to mate with this differential. Granted, the cars mentioned do not need a manual for their intended market, but it makes me wonder. Lastly, if the diesel is as torquy as expected, I seriously doubt you'll need to shift a lot and probably don't need 6 speeds!