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Re: Re styling [biker4] by nippononly
Jul 15, 2008 (6:19 pm)
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Replying to: biker4 (Jul 15, 2008 2:27 pm)

"The diesel fuel premium is around 10-15% (and should come down)"
 
In the last year, gas prices are up 38% while diesel prices are up 65%. In the wake of those huge increases, gas use is DOWN at unprecedented rates of decline, and diesel use is...........STILL UP. Freight uses a lot of the stuff.
 
Diesel prices are just going to keep going up, but they will fluctuate more than gas most likely.
 
As such the Jetta TDI doesn't really pay off vs a Corolla or a Civic, but it does still pay off quite handsomely vs the underwhelming fuel economy of the gas Jetta 2.5.
 
A diesel TSX would have no entry-lux competition - all the other models in its price range are non-hybrid, non-diesel. As such, I bet it will do quite well. Until someone wises up and offers a hybrid Lexus or Infiniti, and Mercedes offers a diesel C300. BMW has already announced the impending arrival of the diesel 3-series, which would admittedly be a lot more expensive than the TSX.
 
But Volvo? Saab? Cadillac? Nothing. I assume there will be a Passat TDI not far behind the Jetta TDI, and that might provide the best competition of all for the TSX diesel.
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Re styling (nippononly) by hpmctorque
Jul 15, 2008 (6:38 pm)
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"A diesel TSX would have no entry-lux competition - all the other models in its price range are non-hybrid, non-diesel. As such, I bet it will do quite well."
 
It seems you've changed your mind regarding the sales prospects for the new generation TSX. Unless I'm missing something, you've come around to pretty much agreeing about what I said several weeks ago. If course, fuel prices have risen considerably since you and I disagreed, so your current position better reflects the new economic realities.
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Re: Re styling [nippononly] by biker4
Jul 16, 2008 (4:10 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 15, 2008 6:19 pm)

As such the Jetta TDI doesn't really pay off vs a Corolla or a Civic, but it does still pay off quite handsomely vs the underwhelming fuel economy of the gas Jetta 2.5.
 
Yes, the comparison is only meaningful against the similar gas model - the same as you can't compare an E320CDI against an Accord.
 
Demand for diesel will keep going up but I think there is some max markup that the refiners can get away with. The lack or refining capacity (especially for diesel) doesn't make the news as much as the lack of crude supply.
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Re: Re styling [flats] by biker4
Jul 16, 2008 (4:21 am)
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Replying to: flats (Jul 15, 2008 6:13 pm)

I think the sticker numbers of the diesel TSX won't reflect that reality - it seems that Honda test numbers are always way below the actual numbers when it comes to fuel mileage. I expect the EPA sticker numbers to be about 26/38 (about 30% higher than the gasser) with reality closer to what the article mentioned.
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Re: Re styling [biker4] by flats
Jul 16, 2008 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: biker4 (Jul 16, 2008 4:21 am)

I am anxious to see what the final mpg numbers will be, as well as the remaining specs. I keep my cars for a long time, so I take into account the initial cost, insurance, repairs, mpg, etc. One of my current Acura's is rated 20/27, yet I always get 26/33+. So I tend to raise an eyebrow when it comes to the numbers we are given. I'll keep the diesel version of the TSX on my list. I'll reevaluate it when more details are released and crunch the numbers then.
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I'm curious as to.... by bodble2
Jul 16, 2008 (8:02 am)
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what the MSRP of the diesel TSX will be.
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Re: Auto versus manual performance [biker4] by ransomolds
Jul 16, 2008 (1:11 pm)
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Replying to: biker4 (Jul 14, 2008 11:31 am)

Car and Driver had the 190 hp Accord 4 at 8.2. I thought with the higher compression and lower gearing the numbers might be much better on the TSX.
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Re: Auto versus manual performance [ransomolds] by bodble2
Jul 16, 2008 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: ransomolds (Jul 16, 2008 1:11 pm)

I think the Accord 4 has a lower curb weight though.
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Re: Re styling [nippononly] by bobgwtw
Jul 16, 2008 (6:12 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 15, 2008 6:19 pm)

Nissan has announced they will put a diesel in the Maxima. Don't have any info on displacement, HP etc.
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Re: Auto versus manual performance [bodble2] by ransomolds
Jul 17, 2008 (8:13 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Jul 16, 2008 1:49 pm)

You are probably correct about the weight--actually, the gearing may be more similar than I thought. It seems to be much tamer in th auto than in the manual. As the manual was clocked at 6.7, that would be about a 1.5 second difference. I am surprised by the difference being that great.

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