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MINI Cooper, Engine, Hatchback
#12 of 21 Re: Serious Engine Repair Needed for '07 Mini [badmini]
Aug 06, 2012 (10:47 pm)
Hold on there. Didn't mean to make you upset. I do enjoy my mini when its running. I've owned most European brands and Japanese brands and always like to help others make good decisions about auto purchasing and repair. Unfortunately this is is not just one data point. Its good to keep an open mind about auto repair expectations, especially of the cars.t steal our hearts. that's all and so it seems clear that when making a Mini purchase one should know that many owners have had this problem. A quick Google.reveals.that its.not.an isolated.case. in fact Mini has a TSB out.on the problem. My mini is my favorite driving car I've owned. Its fun. Maybe the mini you have or are.thinking.about.purchasing will go 200k with routine maintenance. I hope so. But there are many minis out there with failure of drive train parts. Can we agree not to compare it to a mid 80s GM?; ) And I'm checking other forums of other makes to determine the prevalence of drive train failure at 34k. I'll share what I find. Good bad and ugly Thanks for the discussion.
#14 of 21 Re: Serious Engine Repair Needed for '07 Mini [badmini]
Aug 07, 2012 (8:53 am)
After an initial review of other forums, it appears that timing belts and/or chains are recommended to be changed every 60k-120k. The problem here is that it isn't the chain per se. It's the plastic guides that fail. In full disclosure here, I'm a teacher and automobiles are just a hobby. I'm clear no tech. But it seems logical that the chain is dependent upon the guides and therefore, the guides are the weakest link (pun intended). Its seems that most other manufacturers don't have timing chain or belt related issues at low mileage with a few manufacturers warranties extending coverage for 100k! Maybe it's the nature of a high performance engine?
The other caveat here is that the dealer just replaced the water pump at 30k/3.5 years use. Could that be related?
Mini is a fun automobile and clearly some are getting high mileage with minimal service requirements. If you're considering one, clearly you should investigate whether cold start timing chain tensioner problems existed and maybe you'll want to have it inspected (if that's possible) before purchase of a used one. If you're lucky enough to buy one new, maybe consider the extended warranty. Then you can have fun motoring rather than waiting for repairs!
#15 of 21 Re: Serious Engine Repair Needed for '07 Mini [badmini]
Aug 07, 2012 (10:51 am)
Oh, I agree that no modern 2012 car should be compared to a mid-80's model, but it's YOU that attempted to make the connection (your post #10). All I did was identify a vehicle that cost me lots of $$$.
I've said it a thousand times...EVERY MANUFACTURER makes the occasional lemon, and it really sucks if you happen to win that lottery.
And, like any chain, every model has its weak link. No manufacturer is immune to bad engineering or assembly issues from time-to-time.
My luck with LG products has been consistently bad, from cell phones, to a plasma TV, to a fridge. All failed within a year. However, I understand that there simply isn't any way LG could be in business today if even a minor fraction of LG's customers had my experiences. And, I've never gone to any LG product forum and attempted to insinuate that all LG products are faulty. What I HAVE done is to relate my experience... Nothing more.
I sincerely hope you get a favorable resolution on your problem.
#16 of 21 Re: Serious Engine Repair Needed for '07 Mini [busiris]
Aug 08, 2012 (4:22 pm)
OK. I understand. (Please don't yell, though. let's keep it civil), but buyers should not dismiss this issue so easily. Maybe your right. Or maybe the problem is very widespread. Maybe Mini is preparing to extending the warranty on this issue, like they honorably did with the fuel pump failure or maybe they won't leaving owners to pay for costly repairs.
If your attempt to make this out to be an isolated case, calling my MINI a lemon, I humbly disagree. Simple google searches reveal the problem to affect many and that represents only those who have the time and inclination to share their experience.
Since starting this thread, I've completed extensive research into similar repairs in other makes and Minis and I'm placing random phone calls to independent MINI repair specialists as part of my own research. This is not an isolated case, but a condition which affects many other minis.
In this case, its may be poor design rather than simply a manufacturing defect. There are many Minis which have had similar failures. Also, much to my chagrin, US News and other vehicle ratings rank Mini poorly on reliability when compared to other similar vehicles. I'm in the process of completely an extensive blog with references. Unfortunately, it's not just me with the problem and not just me suggesting that it is widespread. You can dismiss it as bashing, or you can help others get to the truth if if it means revealing a an ugly wart that's not being addressed.
There are many occasions where a manufacturer earns a profit producing poor quality goods, even defective goods. I agree that much of Toyota and Honda and Hyundai financial success is based on perceived quality. The costs for a manufacturer to issue a repair or cover the repair on all vehicles in service is substantial, so there is less incentive, if any, to cover existing defects versus to fix or correct them in future models. Please take your discussion of other brand names to other websites where others have a chance to respond.
Any one person's experience is an isolated data point, we don't have data on the number of repairs. Using these forums and other internet research helps, but even these forums don't give an accurate representation as car forums tend to attract both those, like myself, who've had a bad experience, and many more advocates, some who may even receive compensation by the manufacturer. Fervent support of any person, brand, or ideology is equally suspect, agree?
All I want to suggest to potential buyers of '07 Mini Cooper S and possibly all Mini's, is that they look into this problem before making their purchase decision and don't quickly dismiss this or any problem as "an isolated case", a "lemon." Do the research. Do a google search. Then decide for yourself.
I continue with research, at least until school starts up again.
#17 of 21 Re: Serious Engine Repair Needed for '07 Mini [badmini]
Aug 08, 2012 (4:58 pm)
No offense, but you appear to do a lot of "reading between the lines", even when there isn't anything there to be reading.
I never said, nor meant to imply, that your problem isn't a valid one... It may well indeed be one.
But, let's face it... Car forums are a bit like prisons... Both are full of innocent people who never, ever did anything to cause the situation that they now find themselves in...
Just to be clear, I think you have a legitimate issue, and knowing a thing or two about automotive engines, I can't easily see any way you caused the damage to the car.
I think the difference between we two is the approach used. I would have simply outlined my issue and then requested information from others experiencing the same issue, or not, by listing the specific model, year, etc. You did list the year, but no model. I assume from your remarks you have the "S" model. Information like that helps narrow down your searches.
Nor would I use a name with "bad" anything in it. You have already "tainted" the conversation before it has even had a chance to start.
It strikes me that, while you certainly have a manufacturer-related problem, you may also have a dealer-related one as well. In my experience, I have established a good working relationship with the dealership (AND service advisor), which has paid off handsomely in the past. The advisor knows that I take care of the vehicle, so there was never the question of abuse, when it came to repairs.
You don't appear to be getting much, if any, dealer support here, based upon your comments.
As I said earlier, I sincerely hope you get resolution to your problem.
#18 of 21 Re: Serious Engine Repair Needed for '07 Mini [busiris]
Aug 09, 2012 (7:21 am)
Point well taken. I'm trying to not bash Mini/BMW until I can get all the facts. In the week since penning the post, I've found much information.
To your point about a dealer problem. You are right. Unfortunately, I started with the dealer and received no help. Worse yet, the dealer said nothing about the TSB out on the vehicle for the repair and offered no help. I put a few options on the table but was flatly rejected. That's when I turned to the internet for answers.
In this forum and across the net I've since learned the the problem is not an isolated case. Maybe it's a manufacturing defect, maybe it is faulty manufacturing processes, maybe it is a design error.
Wish I had a better way than "Bad Mini" to label my experience, "Love Hate" might be a good description. Fuel pump failure in the first 30 miles of ownership, later repaired under warranty and subsequent part of a recall. Tires peeling off at highway speeds spinning me 390+ degrees. Serious burn injury from tailpipe, no help from the dealer, later recalled and replaced. Melted cowl, faulty water pump, no help from the dealer or Mini/BMW. In all these cases, I was first told by the dealer, "it's an isolated case." Then, after doing internet research, I find they've all be common issues and in some cases, Mini/BMW to their credit, issued recalls.
So, I turn to the 'net at first to find whether this problem is normal, but this time I post the question and immediately I'm referred to the TSB that the dealer was silent on. Now that I've learned this issue is much more prevalent, not an isolated case, not a lemon I want to identify how prevalent it is. I have the time and the resources to give back to my community of Mini/BMW owners. If it's my findings show it's prevalent, I'll commit significant time and resources to sharing with the MINI/BMW community.
I'll take a few more weeks to do the research, gather secondary data and conduct basic primary research. I'll create the blogs, gather the photos, and post the results. Others have already offered to help. And I've got years of net search and keyword experience that might help us get word out, assuming the findings show it to be prevalent. I want to emphasize that last point: To date, I'm uncovering many who've had problems with the MINI Cooper timing chain and tensioner. However, the data is still very sketchy. MINI/BMW has a clamp on the data but I'm starting to get referrals to people who until now, have never said a word. It's amazing how things can mushroom when you get a lot of people talking about it. But even 50 similar repairs does not make the case of a defect. Too many variables to get from result back to cause! We'll have the website/blog setup in another week or two and I'll post here and across the web links to it at that time.
Thanks for your comments. Much appreciated.
#19 of 21 Re: Serious Engine Repair Needed for '07 Mini [badmini]
Aug 09, 2012 (8:49 am)
It never ceases to amaze me how a poor dealer can trash a manufacturer, especially when there is some evidence to support the idea of a widespread issue. "It's the first we have heard about it!" is an all to often heard phrase.
What's it tell you when the customer is more well-versed on a product that the seller? Reminds me of shopping at Best Buy... Lol!
There's a guy on the BMW 3 series section at this very moment experiencing the same lack of dealer "quality" that you seem to be experiencing. It's far too common.
Good luck in your "adventure". It sounds like you may need some....
#20 of 21 Re: Serious Engine Repair Needed for '07 Mini [badmini]
Jan 31, 2013 (9:15 pm)
I have 2006 Mini S Convertable
Harmonic Trans Balancer ....replace
Power Steering hoses leaking ,oil pan gasket leaking,lower control arm bushings and this all needs to be replaced at 50K ,right side engine mount ... Something very fishy !
Class action lawsuit was started against Mini Cooper in 2011 seek and yee shall find .... it's not just a transmission issue it's bigger .
#21 of 21 Engine light on 07 Mini
Feb 02, 2013 (12:28 pm)
The engine light keeps coming on in my mini with about 140k miles on it? The engine has a mind of its own sometimes and switches gears on it's own (revs up) . I was told it might be the 02 sensor. Will replacing that fix the problem? If not, what could be the problem? It also burns oil more in the summer months. I love my mini and would like to keep it and also trying to buy another mini.