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Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Comparison Test: Mitsubishi Evo GSR vs. Mitsubishi Evo MR vs. Subaru WRX STI - What does this have to do with the 2008 Subaru WRX STI and 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X? Plenty. There has been a shift in priorities in the mission of the all-new Evo (or Evo X, as this is the 10th iteration) and STI. (more)
#2 of 19 Still Awesome
Jan 16, 2008 (4:43 pm)
Considering how much weight and "maturity" both the Evo and STI have gained, I'm very impressed with how well they both performed at the drag strip and especially on the Streets of Willow. The fact that the IX MR was barely quicker only proves how much development went into the new cars to keep them at their awesome levels of performance.
A tenth here and there are not enough to bash either the Mitsubishi or the Subaru.
Let's hear it for two companies who still "get it."
#3 of 19 Re: Still Awesome [shoe34]
Jan 17, 2008 (2:56 pm)
Since these comparisons started, the differences have been rather small and could come down to just personal preference. For me, I've always leaned to the Subarus, but, you'd think that by now Subaru might have made a commitment to be on top rather than on the bottom for a change. It can't be good to always be on the bottom, when costing more. It wouldn't be so bad if the extra cost garnered the win. With that said I'm still leaning towards the Subaru.
#4 of 19 Re: Still Awesome [merrycynic]
Jan 20, 2008 (8:12 am)
In my area (NE Ohio) the Subie dealer seems to think that an "opportunity" to check out an STi is equivalent to hanging with the pope. Both cars seem to be impressive and I expect to check 'em out at the Cleveland Car Show next month. The Subie gets points for the six speed manual and hatch utility. The Evo gets a minus from me for offering the MR only with the TC-SST, which might be great or might be problematic... it's a lot of complexity when a manual would get the job done and cost less as well... and this makes the GSR seem more appealing.
But both cars get a minus in the EPA ratings. Sure, they are performance machines, but tight oil supplies and energy market price volatility have become factors for me. Later this year we should see some interesting diesels hitting our shores that may offer a nice blend of energy efficiency and performance, such as the Audi 3.0 liter TDI.
#5 of 19 Re: Still Awesome [byronwalter]
Jan 20, 2008 (9:34 am)
After tooling around in my brothers albeit older high end Mercedes diesel, I doubt that I would find that option the least bit appealing.
#6 of 19 Re: Still Awesome [merrycynic]
Jan 20, 2008 (1:11 pm)
Perhaps... but I have "read" some pretty good reports on some of the new gen diesels. I have a friend that had a Passat diesel (not sure of the displacement) and the whole package was nice indeed. Got amazing gas mileage. In the UK there's an Audi A5/S5 forum and the TDI owners seem to really like the 3 liter diesel. The A5 diesel gets performance that's closer to the S5 than the A5 with the 3.2 liter engine and easily manages 35 mpg. Some of the gas mileage reports of the Subie flat four and the Mitsu 4b11 are down right nasty. OTOH there's a gal that I know has an '06 Evo MR and she's reporting that she's getting around 25 mpg with "good" behavior.
#7 of 19 Livable & Lovable Evo
Jan 22, 2008 (2:11 pm)
Just experienced the new Evo X at Carriage Mitsubishi in Murrieta, and I love it! Pix don't do it justice at all, the car looks fantastic especially in white with the air vents in the hood and fenders, and the front-end's enough to give anyone looking in their rear-view mirror a fright. Can't believe these morons nit-picking at the performance stats, the upgrades over the IX make the car a helluva lot more enjoyable especially as a daily driver. And why criticize the gas mileage? Do you want a performance genius or an econobox? Even at $40,000 this car's more fun for the buck than anything else on the road.
#8 of 19 As of today, I am the proud new papa of a GSR
Jan 25, 2008 (4:30 pm)
Just brought it home.
#9 of 19 Re: As of today, I am the proud new papa of a GSR [stevensoriano]
Jan 25, 2008 (6:13 pm)
Congrats! I am sure you will take it easy at first to wear her in properly, but how did she feel going home? What add ons did you get? How much for everything? Details man...details!
#10 of 19 Re: As of today (1/25), I am the proud new papa of a GSR [gijoewildbill]
Jan 25, 2008 (8:18 pm)
Okay... Just got back in.
120 miles on the clock now. ( I took delivery at 3pm with 8 miles)
What a car!!! I got the GSR with the Sight and Sound package. Truth is that I ordered an MR with the Technology Package, but based on gossip and rumour, I think they won't hit the dealers until summer, and I couldn't wait.
The other PIO was the aluminum shift knob and the six disk punch radio.
$40,000 out the door. I paid full sticker ($36k), plus around $200 in dealer nonsense. Plates and taxes added $4,000.
First an confession.... I haven't driven a stick in 20 years. My last stick was an Audi Fox GTi. I am a big, 40yo, 270lb guy who's daily driver is an Escalade ESV! This is quite the change for me.
The car is refined. I had no problem re-learning the manual, and this clutch/gear setup is about 1000x cleaner and smoother than I recall the Audi.
I didn't do any severe starts, so I can't tell you about launching...But when you are in gear (3rd, 4th, and 5th) the car pulls from 2,000 rpm to 5,000 rpm with no effort. It is like taking off in a 747.
The brakes are twitchy to me...but remember, I am comparing to my Escalade.
I test drove a VW Eon and was turned off by the tick tick engine sound I attributed to the turbo.....Well, the Evo X GSR has no tick tick sound. It sounds a lot more substantial than I thought a 4 cyl could.
I picked the EVO for my midlife crisis car over a Z06, or a Porsche because I have 3 little kids, and whatever void the car is supposed to fill, I am pretty sure I want my kids there.
A couple of surprises/disappointments.
- No boost guage... I guess I buy one later? I don't see how to add it to the A pillar, there is an airbag in there.
- I have the fastkey deal. No complaints...I just forgot to mention it earlier.
- The GSR has on or off for the headlights...No Auto sensor...I know that is small potatoes, but I got used to never having to consider the lights from my most recent cars.
- I haven't a freaken clue about the S-AWS, etc..... There is some kind of visual thing in the middle of the dashboard which shows when the Yaw Control, Center Diff, Front or Rear Diff, or ABS or other gizmo's are working, but you really have to thrash the car to trigger them. The display looks kind of like a circle with a skid pad. Bars cover and uncover parts of the circle real time as the system is "helping" you not kill yourself.
- Oh...by biggest gripe is that I didn't get the bluetooth communication package. That isn't the car's fault....it is mine. Turns out that you really aren't supposed to 1) Drive a stick, 2) Drink a Starbucks and 3) talk on the cellphone at the same time. I stalled in the middle of an intersection on a left turn 'cause my boss called me.
Maybe I should have waited for the MR? Nah... I really like the car a lot so far. Kind of a "Grin Therapy."
My dealer told me I got Evo #2 in the State.. and that some outfit called Vision bought #1 to do R&D. He refered to me as the first civilian owner of an Evo X around here. Whatever.
As for the break in period, the book says 300-600 miles, keep below 5,000. Since I am used to the 6.2l in my Escalade, the idea of going over 3,500 is weird to me. I gotta learn to drive again!
No add ons or anything aftermarket.......yet. I have already talked to a guy with an Evo 9, and he said I need to get a turbo timer and a few other things. He did a manifold-back exhaust with a test pipe and an o2 spacer on his. He is really happy with the results. I am not sure that the increased HP from such a mod would make too much difference for me as I am a pretty wimpy driver with it so far.
I will probably leave it mechanically stock.
The MR I ordered will eventually come in. I ordered a "fully loaded, every option, SST" one...whatever that is. I might trade out when it comes later this year. Lets see where this goes.
#11 of 19 Re: As of today (1/25), I am the proud new papa of a GSR [stevensoriano]
Jan 26, 2008 (7:36 am)
"Maybe I should have waited for the MR? Nah... I really like the car a lot so far. Kind of a "Grin Therapy." "
While the TC-SST might be a technical marvel, you may have saved yourself some future grief. If the transmission requires servicing, it has to be pulled and sent to Mitsu NA for "evaluation". Other than seals, oil, and filter, the transmission is "non-serviceable and must be replaced as a unit". Now in fact the transmission may prove to be rock-solid but that's a bet that I wouldn't want to make.
Good luck with your Evo. I'm kinda in the market for one but just wish the gas mileage didn't suck so badly. I study energy markets (and use 'em to supplement my income) and the mid term to long term outlook suggests that cars like the Evo are nearing their "evolutionary" end.