Last post on May 10, 2012 at 4:37 PM
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Lincoln, Concept Cars, Future Vehicle, Sedan
#97 of 106 Re: MKT - UGH MY EYES - MY EYES!! [gregg_vw]
Jan 20, 2009 (5:18 am)
We'll see if Ecoboost works well with 4 cylinders
I do not think Ecoboost is going to be the catchall improvement people are hoping for. It does remain to be seen, but if it were TRULY the life saver for Ford I say it would have been rolled out across the lines. Ford would not be placing it in their luxury segment first and almost exclusively right now if it were really that fabulous. No, I think it will provide modest mpg improvement that will quickly diminish to zero when you stomp the throttle. In short, it sounds to me like a marketing point rather than a substantive change.
#98 of 106 Re: MKT - UGH MY EYES - MY EYES!! [tourguide]
Jan 20, 2009 (7:01 am)
So you can drive it normally and get good fuel economy but have the power there when you need it? What's not great about that?
The reason they're debuting the 3.5L first is simple - it was designed as a performance engine first (original name was twinforce) way before gas hit $4/gallon. The fuel economy angle came recently, and it will take time to get the smaller displacement ecoboost engines online. If this was the only thing Ford had to work on they might be able to do it more quickly, but the resources are stretched thin and there were more important things to work on, like the 2010 Fusion Hybrid and Taurus.
#100 of 106 Re: MKT - UGH MY EYES - MY EYES!! [gregg_vw]
Feb 11, 2009 (4:53 pm)
Maybe it will catch on with former Navi owners...
I am a former Navi owner (twice). I think the MKT is the ugliest thing I've seen in ages.....and I was really considering it - hoping it would be gorgeous like the MKS. Oh well - it seems to me the FLEX is a bomb, and this looks to be even worse. Maybe I'll be wrong. I drove Lincolns for 16 years, and only quit in 05 when they had nothing left worth driving but the Navigator, and I didn't want another SUV then. I wish I could go back to them, but can't do it with the product they have still. Love the looks of the MKS, but not the little engine that can't.....
#101 of 106 Over three years without a post
May 07, 2012 (4:13 pm)
And it is a vehicle still for sale. Whoever approved the dumbed-down styling from the concept to the reality of this pig should be embarrassed. And fired. The concept brought to market, despite its controversy, would have done so much better than this boring station wagon with baleen teeth. What the hell did they think was so wrong with the concept? At least it had character and looked like nothing else. It didn't have second row doors that looked like every other station wagon that has ever been. This person/these people got paid good money to make a call that was not even a safe decision...it was just stupid.
#102 of 106 Re: Over three years without a post [gregg_vw]
May 07, 2012 (5:17 pm)
Slow day Gregg? I think it's safe to say with Wolff heading a new dedicated Lincoln design group that we won't see a repeat of the MKT styling.
I also think the MKT will be relegated to livery service if it survives and the new MKS will be on a stretched and much better platform. Apparently Wolff was only able to make small changes to the MKZ (other than the grille) so it will be interesting to see how the first clean sheet design looks. But I'm sure it will be worlds better than the MKT.
#103 of 106 Re: Over three years without a post [akirby]
May 07, 2012 (5:40 pm)
The MKT was the first clean sheet design of the new Lincoln, remember? I can find your posts saying so.
#104 of 106 Re: Over three years without a post [gregg_vw]
May 07, 2012 (6:23 pm)
Yep, it was one of the first Lincoln designs to get 100% unique sheetmetal. The one thing you can say about it is that it's unique.
However, it was still a Lincoln designed by Ford. When they hired Wolff 18 months ago they gave him a new dedicated Lincoln design team. They only work on Lincolns now so I expect the new designs to show that.
May 10, 2012 (4:14 pm)
I like the MKT - especially after the front rework - the rear is still terrible, but I will get it in white, which seems to mute the effect. With advanced suspension and state of the art active and passive safety equipment - and great comfort, I am looking at one now. I would prefer the FLEX, but the advanced suspension and active safety equipment (lane drift correction) is not available.
#106 of 106 Re: MKT [fawltytowers44]
May 10, 2012 (4:37 pm)
I like the rear end. It has some style and a unique look. The side of the vehicle is so generic that it looks like a nondescript station wagon. The front and rear give it some distinction...but not enough.