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Lincoln, Concept Cars, Future Vehicle, Sedan
#87 of 106 Re: Lincoln MKT [gregg_vw]
Jul 22, 2008 (4:47 pm)
Warren used to drive a Town Car - was auctioned away last year on Ebay. Now he drives a Cadillac. Not a fancy guy. Bill Gates reportedly drives a car like mine, Lexus LS430, but he may have updated since then......
Both of them are liberals, both of them create a ton of jobs in this country and elsewhere, both of them are geniuses. I find it interesting WHAT they drive, but beyond that, they don't interest me much. I don't spend any emotion on either of them.
#88 of 106 Re: Lincoln MKT [nvbanker]
Jul 22, 2008 (6:20 pm)
Bill Gates fills most of his jobs in this country with imported people. He's been doing that since the 80s. Long before anyone else.
#89 of 106 Re: Lincoln MKT [jeyhoe]
Jul 23, 2008 (5:19 am)
Hmmm...sounds like a smart guy, even if you don't like his tactics.
#90 of 106 Re: Lincoln MKT [gregg_vw]
Jul 23, 2008 (6:56 am)
I have lots of issues with MS software and how it's designed and implemented (so does anyone else who's used Unix, Linux or a Mac) - it's a nightmare to fix when it doesn't work.
But I have even more issues with their business practices. They used to require a pc seller to buy a windows license for every PC they sold, whether or not windows was actually installed or not, otherwise they would not allow the seller to install windows at all (or at a much higher price). Since 90%+ of pc buyers wanted windows this amounted to extortion and forced Linux and other non-MS operating system users to pay for windows even if they didn't use it.
Now back to the MKT - I saw a spy shot of a test mule - looks like only minor differences from the concept (on the outside).
#91 of 106 Re: Lincoln MKT [gregg_vw]
Jul 23, 2008 (7:00 am)
Yes of course. Undermining American workers is always a smart idea, eh? What industry are YOU in?
#92 of 106 Re: Lincoln MKT [jeyhoe]
Jul 23, 2008 (8:50 am)
Oh, sometimes I just can't resist giving the bear a poke!
And I don't think most bazillionaires in the end give a rat's ass (give a rat's ass...in the end...) about American workers if there is enough cash in doing it some other way. That's the way they often get to the place where they can order God and his minions around. But then I am just cynical about people who amass fortunes greater than many small countries.
#93 of 106 real world MKT
Aug 18, 2008 (11:40 am)
I see by the spy shots appearing that the MKT has been made much more conventional looking compared to the concept. I know that some of you will celebrate that (jeyhoe for example), but I am disappointed that the bustle back now looks more like the back of a station wagon, and the back seat door cutouts have lost the elegant look of the concept that was evocative of past Lincolns, and plain station wagon/SUV style side doors have been substituted.
Given that the thing looks a lot more like another tall wagon now, how will this really go over, given the Pacifica/Caddy SRX/Taurus X tall wagon look falls flat with the buying public? Provocative and polarizing is what Lincoln needs, not cautious station wagon styling, which is only jazzed up only a bit with the cow catcher grill. Oh, well, glad I'm not making these decisions. Plus, I can cross this thing off my future shopping list. One of the last things I want is a CUV that more or less blends in with everything else.
#94 of 106 Re: real world MKT [gregg_vw]
Aug 25, 2008 (5:50 pm)
I agree with you on this, greg. I liked the bustle back and the pretty daring styling chance they took. Generic won't sell.
#95 of 106 MKT - UGH MY EYES - MY EYES!!
Jan 17, 2009 (11:52 am)
Well, OK maybe not THAT bad, but it looks like a combination of a Chrysler 300C and a Toyota Venza. The looks of this thing just DO NOT appeal to me at all. The gigantic cow-catcher grill and the extremely long snout - ugh. I was hoping this would be a nice looker, but like the Flex it appears to be another "polarizing design" from the team that knows how to produce them.
#96 of 106 Re: MKT - UGH MY EYES - MY EYES!! [tourguide]
Jan 18, 2009 (10:44 am)
The grill is about the only thing they did right. In case you haven't noticed, the trend is now away from anonymous and/boring little grills. Everyone screamed when Audi adopted its bold grill look. Now the complaints have stopped. So I suggest you all get used to bold grills. It is what is selling now. This too will pass.
Meanwhile, the rest of the MKT is boring wagon. Very big too. The wagon-y look has not done well. Stupid buying public response, as SUVs and CUVs are nothing more than tall station wagons with metal bending that makes them look either more butch or more sporty (as if a big heavy tall car can really be sporty). The MKT production model looks designed by committee...dumbed down. Lincoln should know by now that bolder grills don't change perceptions much if the rest of the ride is unremarkable looking (examples being the Navigator, the MKX, changing the grill of the Zephyr/MKZ a couple times). The MKT may have done ok in a better market, but the timing sucks.
Hopefully, Lincoln has some plans other than competent bores like the MKS down the pike. The Concept C (like the Mini but far more useful) would sell in this climate, but even if they are serious, 2013 is probably a realistic sell date, And the world and the ball will have moved a lot more by then. Seems Lincoln can't get a break. No one had any idea how truly truly damaging Bill Ford was to Ford and Lincoln. Had they had the Continental and NaviCross to sell in the early 2000s, they might have a bit more development money now for products that would address current conditions.
One thing is sure...once the economy recovers some (and who knows how long that will take), oil prices will shoot up again. For once in a long time, Ford could be at the forefront of things, if they continue to develop innovations like the Concept C, for Lincoln, and the Fiesta, Ka and Focus for Ford.
We'll see if Ecoboost works well with 4 cylinders...the 3.5 Ecoboost V6 is awfully complex, adds weight and requires AWD (more weight). A good small modern V8 with cylinder deactivation could easily match (or best) both the hp and mpg. Hopefully, the Ecoboosts will be further refined so that mpg continues to climb. Eord has their eggs in this basket now...I really really wish this effort well.
Meanwhile, here we have the MKT...well almost...it is not even for sale until this summer! Maybe it will catch on with former Navi owners...