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Latest Motor Trend has a profile pic of this thing. I had forgotten what a truly UGLY MUTHA it is. The bustle back thing is even worse than some of the horrible Cadillac Sevilles from the 80s. In the accompanying article, we learn that the Fusion is moving to the Mondeo chassis in 2009 or 10. Wow, the great Mazda 6 chassis didnt last long eh? Doesnt seem to me to be very economical to be changing the whole car from tires up after just a few years. I'm sure they know what they're doing though, eh? Oh, except Dearborn is now in a feud with Ford Australia who both claim to be designing the new GRWD platform. So back to the Fusion and we learn that there almost certainly wont be a new Milan. Oh and the Mariner is being dropped to be replaced, just EXACTLY as I predicted, by a Lincoln version of the Ford Escape. Boy, I'll bet that'll be a fine luxury effort. Can u believe Ford is going to rebadge THAT POS as a Lincoln? What's next? A Locus? So that will leave Mercury with ... the Sable and ... Marquis? Ha. So, this info pretty much confirms that Mulally is FOS when he says Mercury is safe. Mercury will be gone by 2010, just as, again, I predicted. Thinking about what Lincoln will have though - a MKZ, not exactly a luxury car, a rebadged Escape HAHAHAHA, a rebadged Edge, the mks FINALLY? with a cheapo interior and maybe the Navigator by Gillette or will they finally retire that? It seems to me that it's not Mercury that's going away, but Lincoln is being morphed into an expensive Mercury. Oh and they're gonna put bigger wheels on the Edge Sport. Now isnt that special. No engine or anything. Just wheels and a trim name. As to engines, they're saying the much anticipated ecoboost engine will get 2! that's TWO WHOLE mpg more than the engine it replaces. Wow. And how much more will they cost? And how much less reliable will they be? Bye bye (Ford). 
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Replying to: jeyhoe (May 08, 2008 9:33 pm) The 2010 MKZ will hopefully reach a bit higher than the current model. It needs the 3.7 engine, a new interior with rear HVAC vents, manumatic, power tilt/telescope wheel, the split grille, and hood struts. I don't know if it will get all that but it needs it. The MKS better get the Ecoboost SOON. Jeyhoe, you came up with a great name for the Escape based Lincoln - MKPOS! Good job! I see why Ford likes for you to attend focus groups! |
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Replying to: jeyhoe (May 08, 2008 9:33 pm) They're talking about using the EB 3.5L to replace 4.6 and 5.4 V8s, or for EB 2.5L to replace the 3.5L/3.7L V6s. Same power, 2 mpg improvement. Considering automakers go out of their way to gain just a tenth of one mpg - 2 is huge. The rest of the article, and most of your rant, is simply wrong. |
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Replying to: jeyhoe (May 08, 2008 9:33 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (May 09, 2008 5:15 am) If you consider that 16M vehicles will be sold this year and 100K is a good sales target - that means you only have to convince 6.25 people out of every 1000 buyers. And it probably means you can sell at a premium instead of bargain basement.
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Replying to: akirby (May 09, 2008 6:47 am) I know they know lots more about it than me, even though they cant agree on who is designing the platform for the thing (and THAT is public knowledge. There are stories to that effect out there) And REALLY glad they can screw the customer over big time on this, selling for a premium price, as they did with the Navigator. Which they lowered the price on by 5 or 6 thousand a few years after I bought mine. I was ruminating the other day about what I might replace it with. Having done more research now on selling it than just checking the KBB price, I realize I wont be able to afford to sell it. Cant afford to drive it. No one to blame but myself and the environmentalists and democrats but I digress again. I'm now hoping now they'll pay ME to take it off the road to save the planet. That oughtta work, eh? I know you said most of my rant was BS, but gave no specifics. Since I can verify what I said about the GRWD, what else was wrong? You dont really believe they're going to keep Mercury, do you? And I loved bruce's name for the Lincoln Escape - the MKPOS !!! HAHAHA GREAT one bruce. I thought my "Locus" was pretty good too, eh? Cant wait to see the lincolnized version of THAT.
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Replying to: jeyhoe (May 09, 2008 9:45 am) People aren't going to switch from V8 Navigators and Expeditions to tiny cars. A unibody crossover with V6 power should provide a good migration path. I don't see the other luxury players abandoning their mid to large sized crossovers. The BS I was referring to was the MT information. The MKT will be built on the Flex platform - there's no question about that or who will be designing and building it - at least not that I've heard. I think you're confusing this with the GRWD platform. I highly doubt there is really any confusion or debate as to whether the Aussies or US would take the lead - it sounds like it's going to Dearborn and the Aussies are whining about it. And you should know by now that a small Lincoln crossover would NOT be a rebadged Escape or even a European Kuga. It would just use the same platform. The MKS and MKT should be proof that Lincoln is no longer in the rebadge business.
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Replying to: akirby (May 09, 2008 10:52 am) I must apologize because I was thinking the T is the RWD car. Forgot it's a flex. Must admit - good job of badge engineering - fooled me! One is square ugly, other curvy-ugly though so there's still a family resemblence. And we havent seen the interior yet - dont even begin to tell me it will resemble the concept. Sorry, Bruce, MT says ALL NEW Fusion in 2010 and will be on 3 year-old Mondeo platform. Since Allen has not refuted that, it sounds like truth to me. In fact, they also rumor that the next taurus will be on that and that CD3 will probably go away since only the Taurus X and mks will be on it. From which I infer that the mks will probably be another 3 year and out model cause the taurus x has no reason to live with the flex and edge around. And could probably further infer that Volvo will be going on the block soon. As for badge engineering, using 2 not-yet-existing cars as 'proof' while the only 2 that exist (Z and X) are corrolaries to your theorem, is a bit absurd. As for the escape, good luck trying to make that a lincoln, badge engineered or not. MT states unequivocally that Lincoln escape is in development for 2010 and Mariner is going away. And hey- since they think they can tack on $10000 to the price of the escape if it has the Lincoln name on it it's a no-brainer for them. It'll be another crappy Lincoln, but what's one more? Can u imagine cross shopping the escape with the FX-35 or the LX-350? HAHAHAHAHA And one more time - Is Mulally lying about Mercury not going away? You know he is. I've bought my last Ford product, tell u that.
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Replying to: jeyhoe (May 09, 2008 12:00 pm) But I did refute it by agreeing with Bruce! The 2010 Fusion will roll off the lines in December and be on sale in January. It's still using the CD3 platform (maybe with a few small modifications) and will have a new nose, new upgraded interior, new 2.5L I4, 240 hp 3.0L (with better FE than the old 221 hp 3.0L) and a 2.5L I4 Hybrid. There is supposed to be at least a limited sport version with the 3.5L V6 but that's not confirmed. CD3 and EUCD will merge in the next generation CD platform in another 2-3 years.
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Replying to: jeyhoe (May 09, 2008 12:00 pm) Oh c'mon, George. It's called change. The OLD platforms shared a lot including body panels, interiors and even drivetrains. The NEW platforms don't share any body panels, drivetrains or interiors. Nobody would look at the MKS and Taurus and think they're even related. I don't know what other proof you could want. And one more time - Is Mulally lying about Mercury not going away? You know he is. No, I don't know that it is and neither do you. I don't think Ford has decided what to do with Mercury yet. What they've done is decide to put all of their resources into Ford and Lincoln right now. There will be a 2010 Milan because it was already "in the can". Mercury will not be rebadged Fords going forward - that part seems clear. It MIGHT be killed - or it might be used for smaller volume niche and unique vehicles. Ford doesn't have to decide right now. There aren't any stand alone Mercury dealers. Of course the single biggest reason to keep Mercury around is Jill Wagner. Maybe someone can convince her to start selling those rebadged ugly Lincolns that nobody wants to buy. |
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