Last post on May 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Lincoln, Concept Cars, Future Vehicle, Sedan
#57 of 106 Re: MK T officially approved [jeyhoe]
Mar 21, 2008 (8:22 am)
Not two versions. Option for two rows or three rows, like with the Explorer, etc.
#58 of 106 Re: MK T officially approved [jeyhoe]
Mar 21, 2008 (8:23 am)
When's the last time Ford built 2 versions of anything
I read those forums and I don't remember anything but speculation, but I could be wrong. I'm not a big fan of that look but it is distinctive.
I'd like to think there is enough room (the concept is longer than the Flex) for a 3rd row without changing the rear too much. Then I'd like to see a 3 row option and a 2 row option with captain's chairs and extra leg room. That would make a nice livery vehicle since most only carry one or two passengers plus you have tons of luggage space - much better than a TC or CV.
#59 of 106 Re: MK T officially approved [gregg_vw]
Mar 21, 2008 (8:41 am)
Well, the talk I heard was a fancy 2 row version with seat tracks for the 2nd row and reclining seats etc. That would require a lot more engineering than just a 3rd row option.
allen: Taurus/Taurus X ?? HAHA What was that 60's song? "The Name Game"
#60 of 106 Re: MK T officially approved [jeyhoe]
Mar 21, 2008 (12:36 pm)
The concept IS a 2 seater with reclining seats and there is a possibility they'll offer that configuration as a production luxury livery vehicle. It would certainly be more comfortable and hold more cargo and luggage than a comparable Town Car or other limo. The question is whether the 7 passenger version will keep the same rear design as the 4 passenger.
And if Ford can do 3 versions of a vehicle (Taurus/Sable/Taurus X) on one platform there's no reason they can't do 3 with the Flex platform (Flex, MKT 4 and MKT 7).
#61 of 106 MK <i>T</i>
May 08, 2008 (9:33 pm)
Latest Motor Trend has a profile pic of this thing. I had forgotten what a truly UGLY MUTHA it is. The bustle back thing is even worse than some of the horrible Cadillac Sevilles from the 80s.
In the accompanying article, we learn that the Fusion is moving to the Mondeo chassis in 2009 or 10. Wow, the great Mazda 6 chassis didnt last long eh? Doesnt seem to me to be very economical to be changing the whole car from tires up after just a few years. I'm sure they know what they're doing though, eh? Oh, except Dearborn is now in a feud with Ford Australia who both claim to be designing the new GRWD platform.
So back to the Fusion and we learn that there almost certainly wont be a new Milan. Oh and the Mariner is being dropped to be replaced, just EXACTLY as I predicted, by a Lincoln version of the Ford Escape. Boy, I'll bet that'll be a fine luxury effort. Can u believe Ford is going to rebadge THAT POS as a Lincoln? What's next? A Locus? So that will leave Mercury with ... the Sable and ... Marquis? Ha. So, this info pretty much confirms that Mulally is FOS when he says Mercury is safe. Mercury will be gone by 2010, just as, again, I predicted.
Thinking about what Lincoln will have though - a MKZ, not exactly a luxury car, a rebadged Escape HAHAHAHA, a rebadged Edge, the mks FINALLY? with a cheapo interior and maybe the Navigator by Gillette or will they finally retire that? It seems to me that it's not Mercury that's going away, but Lincoln is being morphed into an expensive Mercury.
Oh and they're gonna put bigger wheels on the Edge Sport. Now isnt that special. No engine or anything. Just wheels and a trim name. As to engines, they're saying the much anticipated ecoboost engine will get 2! that's TWO WHOLE mpg more than the engine it replaces. Wow. And how much more will they cost? And how much less reliable will they be? Bye bye (Ford).
#62 of 106 Re: MK <i>T</i> [jeyhoe]
May 09, 2008 (4:51 am)
Motor Trend is wrong. The 2010 Fusion and Milan will be on an updated CD3 platform with some needed changes to make it more competitive. A more powerful 4 cyl engine and stability control along with refreshed sheetmetal, upgraded interior, and better NVH control will make the Fusion and Milan more competitive. The 2009 Mazda 6 will be even better, IMO, and it will be here this fall.
The 2010 MKZ will hopefully reach a bit higher than the current model. It needs the 3.7 engine, a new interior with rear HVAC vents, manumatic, power tilt/telescope wheel, the split grille, and hood struts. I don't know if it will get all that but it needs it. The MKS better get the Ecoboost SOON.
Jeyhoe, you came up with a great name for the Escape based Lincoln - MKPOS! Good job! I see why Ford likes for you to attend focus groups!
#63 of 106 Re: MK <i>T</i> [jeyhoe]
May 09, 2008 (5:04 am)
As to engines, they're saying the much anticipated ecoboost engine will get 2! that's TWO WHOLE mpg more than the engine it replaces.
They're talking about using the EB 3.5L to replace 4.6 and 5.4 V8s, or for EB 2.5L to replace the 3.5L/3.7L V6s. Same power, 2 mpg improvement. Considering automakers go out of their way to gain just a tenth of one mpg - 2 is huge.
The rest of the article, and most of your rant, is simply wrong.
#64 of 106 Re: MK <i>T</i> [jeyhoe]
May 09, 2008 (5:15 am)
I like your style, jeyhoe, but can't agree on the MKT. It is innovative. The style takes the risk of alienating some people (like you), which is good and very much needed...because to some others it will stand out...shine. To each his own. For you of course it leaves slim Lincoln pickings, but it will sell well regardless. It is far prettier than the Infiniti FX, and that thing does darn well. And it doesn't look a thing like the Flex.
#65 of 106 Re: MK <i>T</i> [gregg_vw]
May 09, 2008 (6:47 am)
As Mark Fields said last week on Autoline - some people hate it but others love it. And the key is that the people that love it - REALLY love it. To the point that it becomes a "gotta have it" vehicle.
If you consider that 16M vehicles will be sold this year and 100K is a good sales target - that means you only have to convince 6.25 people out of every 1000 buyers. And it probably means you can sell at a premium instead of bargain basement.
#66 of 106 Re: MK <i>T</i> [akirby]
May 09, 2008 (9:45 am)
Well, 100,000 is a whole lot of big fat gas-hog RWD bustle-back people movers, I'll tell ya that. In, what, 2012? When the price of gas is likely to be $10 gallon? And cafe kicks in the following year at 31.5 is that correct? What was the LSes' best year? 70K or so? My bet is they wont sell more than 30,000 of the thing the first year, IF they even build it.
I know they know lots more about it than me, even though they cant agree on who is designing the platform for the thing (and THAT is public knowledge. There are stories to that effect out there)
And REALLY glad they can screw the customer over big time on this, selling for a premium price, as they did with the Navigator. Which they lowered the price on by 5 or 6 thousand a few years after I bought mine. I was ruminating the other day about what I might replace it with. Having done more research now on selling it than just checking the KBB price, I realize I wont be able to afford to sell it. Cant afford to drive it. No one to blame but myself and the environmentalists and democrats but I digress again. I'm now hoping now they'll pay ME to take it off the road to save the planet. That oughtta work, eh?
I know you said most of my rant was BS, but gave no specifics. Since I can verify what I said about the GRWD, what else was wrong? You dont really believe they're going to keep Mercury, do you?
And I loved bruce's name for the Lincoln Escape - the MKPOS !!! HAHAHA GREAT one bruce.
I thought my "Locus" was pretty good too, eh? Cant wait to see the lincolnized version of THAT.