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Acura RL, Future Vehicle, Sedan
#124 of 138 Re: [nebraskaguy]
Oct 16, 2008 (9:06 pm)
Howdy Nebraska Guy! In Oct 2003 the redesigned 2004 TL was unvailed and my wife and I were visiting our daughter in Houston. My son-in-law and I drove to the nearest Acura dealer and stood in the dealer showroom checking out the all new design of the new TL. I owned a 2000 TL and was excited to see what the 2004 had to offer. I don't think I was quite ready for that body style, or that interior, and the way it felt sitting behind the wheel so we waited another year for the new RL...We heard it was going to be "All New" but for several months before the 2005 arrived, many long time potential buyers and many curious auto enthusiasts gathered in the Edmunds forum to post their thoughts on the emergence of this all new RL and it was an amazing collection of auto buffs of every kind of background; engineers, Canadians, lawyers, braggarts, car guys from all backgrounds, salesmen, jerks, gentlemen, blah blah blah. I loved coming into that forum because you could usually read 20 to 30 new posts everyday more or less and there were brilliant contributions. (Some not so brilliant ) I have never been exposed to that kind of thing before but it was truly a worthwhile experience and those of us who stayed with it learned a lot about the car and were able to make a decision whether or not it was the right luxury performance sedan for us at the time or not. In another 15 months or so I expect there may be a new RL forum that could possibly take off like the 2005 but until then I will be content to drop a regular e-mail to my good friend ACURAPHILE in New York (Whom I met in here) and compare notes on how well we are doing with our 2005's. and our lives. And I expect George will be back in here again posting supurb contributions..... after all he is only 84!
#125 of 138 Re: [jjacura] Community - ACURAPHILE
Oct 17, 2008 (4:53 am)
JJACURA and I have been good friends since the early Forum days in 2004. The excitment that attended the yet unknown 2005 RL was at fever pitch. We Acura buffs waited nine years for a model change, and our excitement could barely be contained. I hope that we can resurrect that enthusiasm while waiting for what has been described to be a real 'flagship' RL.
Oct 17, 2008 (5:30 am)
Hi jjacura, I grew up in Wisconsin, graduated from the U of WI in Madison, and one of our cars is a '99 TL. It's been excellent, and we're happy with it, but I'll amplify on how I feel about Acura below.
I think the styling of the 09 RL is improved over the '05-'08, but my main disappointment regarding the RL is that Acura didn't take the opportunity to convert it to rear wheel drive for '05. I think Honda-Acura should have followed the Nissan-Infiniti business model in terms of drive wheel architecture; FWD for Honda and RWD for Acura, with optional SH-AWD for whichever models of each brand is appropriate. AWD makes sense in Wisconsin, but doesn't make much sense in most of the sunbelt, for example.
I think that Honda, even more than Nissan or Toyota, is the most promising Japanese company, from the standpoint of engineering resources and corporate culture, to take on the German luxury brands. To do that successfully, in my opinion, the Rl and TL must be RWD, and since the TSX is now a larger car, they might as well make the TSX a RWD direct competitor to the BMW 3-Series and Mercedes C-Class.
From what I've read, the next generation RL will probably be RWD. That's good, but also disappointing that it took so long. It suggests that Honda has lost some of the entrepreneurial spirit it used to have, and has been playing it too cautious, hoping that SH-AWD would trump RWD and RWD based SH-AWD. Or maybe they were counting on the fact that most drivers neither know nor care which set of drive wheels move the car.
Incidentally, FWD made perfect sense for the first two or three generation Acuras, when luxury cars had significantly less power. The game changer was when, several years ago, horsepower and torque rose dramatically. That amplified the shortcomings of FWD.
My conclusion is that each drive configuration involves various tradeoffs. That means that one or another is better for certain applications. Of the Japanese manufacturers, I think that Nissan-Infiniti has done the best job of sorting out the tradeoffs.
#127 of 138 Re: (jjacura) [hpmctorque]
Oct 19, 2008 (6:01 pm)
Hello Wisconsin Native ...Congrats on graduating from UW Madison..a great University...
What is going on with our Badgers this fall?
Your thoughts regarding the RWD based SH-AWD platform are consistent with much of what we have read in the Car Mags. It suggests that you have gone deeper into the competitive engineering aspects of performance based luxury sedans and comparisons are important to you. How do you feel about Acura adding a 420 Horsepower, 4.8 liter, V-8 to the mix? We have seen Spy photos of the 2011 but indications are that the designers have gone back to the drawing board. Many of us really count on THIS one to be designed exceptionally well with show stopper distinction. Acura has an opportunity to knock 'em dead with a true flagship leader this time. I look forward to it.
Good Luck to you.
Oct 20, 2008 (4:05 am)
Well, the badgers aren't doing as well as last year, when they won 69% of the games versus only 43% so far this year. However, there's time left in this season, and one can hope that they'll turn it around.
Regarding a V8 for Acura, just this morning I read in Automotive News that...
" Acura dealers: A V-8 engine is on the way - Acura dealers say they have been told that Acura will offer a V-8 engine option within 18 months. 'It's confirmed,' says Dave Conant, principal owner of the multibrand Conant Auto Retail Group in Cerritos, Calif., which includes one Acura dealership."
Since I'm not a subscriber I was unable to access further details, such as which model(s) will get the new V8, its size, power, and features to be relatively fuel efficient. I'm sure more details will come out soon.
This will be a big opportunity for Honda to establish Acura as a credible competitor to the German luxury brands, plus Lexus and Infiniti, and Cadillac. It'll be interesting to see how Acura balances the need for a flagship and the increasingly stringent fuel economy requirements. In the meantime, the RL is merely a place holder. That doesn't make it a bad car, but "not bad" isn't good enough in the current environment. With auto sales as weak as they are, the consumer has too many choices and too much power for anything less than an excellent product to succeed. For this reason, and the fact that there's insufficient differentiation between the RL and the new TL to justify the price differential, means that RL '09 sales will be weak, and the cars will be heavily discounted.
#129 of 138 Re: (jjacura) [hpmctorque]
Oct 20, 2008 (1:01 pm)
Yes a v8 will be coming out in 18 month. The v8 is still unknown. It might not be 4.8L but depends. It will probably have A-vtec, VCM, but no IMA. I could see a DSG gearbox instead of a 6 speed Auto. Maybe Honda is skipping a traditional 6AT for a 6 or 7DSG.
The v8 has been well rumored for the past couple of years. It's really no secret but the actual specs are. The v8 could be a 8 cylinder version of the NSX replacement's v10.
#130 of 138 RWD V8 Plans Cancelled
Jan 06, 2009 (7:27 pm)
According to Automotive News, Honda has cancelled plans for a rear wheel drive V8 Acura.
#131 of 138 2009 Acura RL CM XM Radio Problem
Jan 08, 2009 (4:29 pm)
My RL is less than 2 months old and the XM dies after 2-20 minutes. Generally, it just stops. Changing the mode and channels doesn't help, but turning the ignition off and on cures the problem...for 2-20 minutes and then it dies again. AM and FM work fine. The display will say the name of the song that was playing, or XM, or Loading, or Updating, but nothing more happens.
It is back with the dealer and they have witnessed the problem multiple times, updated the software, installed a new system, re-updated the software and now are scratching their heads.
The only other problem was one episode of all of the idiot lights going off (CMBX, S
H-AWD, Antilock, Active head lights...).
Any ideas from anyone??
#132 of 138 Re: 2009 Acura RL CM XM Radio Problem [RussHC]
Jan 09, 2009 (11:12 am)
You are not the Long Ranger. Same thing happened with xm and also the channel selection on the radio was always changing or just not working.
After six time to the dealer, and my irritation, they ordered a NEW radio and now it works just the way it was supposed to and no more lost channels et al.
Good luck to all and stay safe.
Jan 13, 2009 (8:51 pm)
I got my RL last Friday. What a car! It's looks great and drives even better than it looks.