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You are in the Subaru Forester
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Subaru Forester, Future Vehicle, Wagon
#779 of 3748 First Model Year Cars
Apr 08, 2008 (6:17 pm)
Futher to my post. Forester seems like the most logical and utilitarian choice, I know. But here is what I like about each of my possible choices listed above.
Most logical choice. Good price compared to my other choices. Gets average to decent gas mileage if you get the normally aspirated model. Lots of cargo room to replace utility of my 2001 Trooper. AWD which I think is safer on wet Florida roads and would be great to have for the snow if/when I visit or move to NC or MA. Should have great crash test results like all Subarus. Should be reliable like its' ancestors.
This is a pretty sharp looking car. And all of the reviews say that it drives great. Fast with the 4 cylinder turbo. From the forums here at Edmunds, it gets excellent gas mileage 30-35 mpg., better than the EPA estimates on the sticker. They seem to be well made. I have read both good and bad comments about reliability from the VWs. Overall, it's a sharp car that is quick, fun to drive and gets great mileage and under $30K. If I want utility, I can always get the wagon although the cargo room would not be as good.
2008 Cadillac CTS
This car is at a different price point than the others. Could be double the price of a Forester. But I still like it. The reviews speak for themselves. Keeps up with a 5 Series and less money. And I would like to support the American manufacturers for finally building a competitive machine. Gets decent mileage for what it does. Handles great. Lots of prestige for the price.
2009 Nissan Murano
I saw one of these recently at a local burger restaurant. Spoke with the owner and he was raving about it. Said that he LOVES the CVT and gets 30mpg on the highway even with the 6 cyl engine. Said that he got it for only $25K. This is the basic V6 model with cloth seats. But seems like alot of car for $25K. I will have to check it out before taking the plunge on the Subaru. I know the Subaru has the AWD but if I really fell in love with the Murano, seeing that we don't often get snow here in South Florida, I could probably get by without the AWD.
2009 Hyundai Sonata
As a work car, again it's alot of car you can get for under $20K. Rides quiet and smooth. Gets pretty decent mileage. Excellent warranty. Very reliable from what I read here at the forums. Bad part is that I would have to tell friends that I drive a Hyundai. Most of them say that they would not drive one. Funny thay they think it's OK to drive an Altima or Jeep or Toyota. That's OK.
2008 or 2009 Hyundai Santa Fe
Alot of SUV for the money. Rich looking interior for low $20's. 6 cylinder engine. Great warranty and reliability. Would give me the same cargo room and utility as the Forester. What I am worried about here is the resale value down the road. Also the Santa Fe would not get as good gas mileage as the Forester. So I am leaning towards the Forester if I get a small SUV.
First choice at the moment is the Forester because it seems to be the most well rounded as far as what I need.
2nd choice at the moment is the VW Passat. because it's cool looking, decent price and good gas mileage. The others would still have to convince me to get into the top 2 slots. I plan on buying some time this year or might wait for the 2010 Forester.
#780 of 3748 Dash rattle in Premium X
Apr 09, 2008 (1:03 am)
Sorry, should have made this more clear. The dealer actually took apart my car to put the Ipod interface in when they discovered they had been sent the kit for the Impreza so the wires didn't match. They put it back together~~~leaving a dash rattle~~so, when I go to get the right Ipod interface installed, the dealer will hopefully tighten everything properly and the rattle will be solved~~at least, that is my hope. I don't have a turbo so I am hoping that is the issue~~there wasn't a dash rattle until the dealer had it for the Ipod install. I also confirmed with them that they had all the manuals for the 09 Forester~they said they did.
Thanks for the rattle advise~~hate em!
#781 of 3748 Re: Forum name: 2009 Subaru Forester [batman47]
Apr 09, 2008 (6:29 am)
You call us patriots, yet you behave like a Mitsubishi patriot.
Pot calling the kettle black?
the problem was published
We don't know that yet. You keep skipping over the fact that it was models in overseas markets that have had the "problem" you refer to. We don't know if US engines are even affected yet, we'll have to wait and see.
Again, this story is far from over, so your conclusion is premature at the very least.
Last time Subaru had a head gasket problem, owners got free repairs and a 100k warranty. They were not "left unprotected" as you stated.
The people who were "left unprotected" were the 23 years' worth of Mitsubishi owners (1977-2000 models) who had cars with safety recalls hidden by the 26 Mitsubishi employees that are now in jail.
Link in case you forgot already:
The question for Subaru owners and potential buyers is, would you rather know, or be kept in the dark, about a potential problem?
Should Subaru stop selling the cars until the concern is addressed, or hide the problem and just keep selling the cars. For 23 years!
But Mitsubishi has changed, you say.
Maybe, after all those 26 people are in jail!
Sadly Mitsubishi has not changed. Check out this comparison chart, thanks to chelentano for the image:
chelentano, "Outlander vs. Forester" #14, 5 Apr 2008 9:58 pm
Look at how many mistakes (lies?) they publish about the Forester in order to appear more competitive. Here is my rebuttal, where I point out the, oh, 19 or so mistakes made in that chart:
ateixeira, "Outlander vs. Forester" #29, 8 Apr 2008 7:37 am
So Mitsubishi is up to the same old, same old. I think they need to throw a 27th Mitsubishi employee in jail. Then maybe they will start telling the truth.
No vehicle is perfect. I think we all can agree.
Can you trust Subaru to fix the problem, if it does affect US models? Yes.
Can you trust Mitsubishi on anything? No.
#782 of 3748 Re: Forum name: 2009 Subaru Forester [ateixeira]
Apr 09, 2008 (8:33 am)
Juice- you're wasting your time
#784 of 3748 Re: First Model Year Cars [tntmyth]
Apr 09, 2008 (10:28 am)
I am definitely what marketeers like to call an "early adopter". I tend to buy cars in their first model year - I suppose because I enjoy fresh, new designs, and I like to be different (ie you'll never catch me driving a Taurus or a Camry). Of course, being on the "bleeding edge" also means sometimes you find yourself with a product that still has a few bugs... I'm happy to report that thus far, my experience with my '09 Forester X Premium has been trouble free. I've had it for about 6 weeks, and have just over 1,000 miles on it. I have no dashboard rattles, etc; and have noticed that the suspension handles going over speed bumps very nicely (not too much bounce, but not too harsh either). MPG is running about 24 around town and just over 28 HWY. I love the solid sound/feeling of the front doors (but it's true the tailgate is not as solid sounding/feeling). Love the M/T shifting, big sunroof, ipod i/f, front seat comfort, visibility, and AWD w/ VDC. I wish it had a telescoping steering wheel adjstmnt, and wish the engine mufflers gave a bit more of a "growl" when you get on it (if that is possible from a 4 cyl non-turbo boxer!).
FYI - I bought a Murano when they first came out (Jan 2003). I got the hi-end AWD; paid about $33K. It was a nice vehicle. But my gas mileage was at best 20 mpg & never came close to EPA rating of 24, even on staight hwy cruise. I also never got used to the CVT...it just didn't feel crisp...like there was a rubber band between the engine and the wheels. Also (and this was important for me) even tho the vehicle is AWD it was terrible getting thru snow and/or off road mud/trails/beach. So if you want an AWD vehicle for on-road performance or wet-road slippage safety, the murano is good. But if you need to traverse snowy unplowed driveways or soft sandy beaches, the Forester AWD system & ground clearance is way better.
#785 of 3748 Of course...
Apr 09, 2008 (11:23 am)
people have a right to express whatever positive or negative comments they want to, but there is line between that and being a troll. I certainly have engaged in fairly critical analysis of the Forester redesign, including the decontenting of the Premium package and the price point verses the segment leader, the CR-V.
#786 of 3748 Re: Of course... [mfletou1]
Apr 09, 2008 (11:55 am)
Good point, so where do we draw the line?
Your posts have been constructive and fair. You've pointed out facts to inform people and kept this thread balanced, which I appreciate.
We have had a healthy and productive back-and-forth discussion of the pros and cons of the new design vs. the old one.
So there's your criteria.
#787 of 3748 09 Forester (bikerguy)
Apr 09, 2008 (12:30 pm)
I tend to see us as trailblazers,not afraid to take a chance. It reminds me of a movie "How The West Was Won". There are some who need the assurances of the masses before they will make a move. This policy is sound,but leads to stagnation in the world that is populated by people afraid to risk or take a opportunity to be the (can we say) Test Pilots for the World. Some times it doesn't work out,but somebody has to do it...!!!!
Apr 09, 2008 (2:35 pm)
The main reason car companies go to more speeds in their auto trans is to better control emissions. It is easier to meet requirements when they have a good idea over what the typical RPM range will be while in use. More speeds closer together allow the normal operation to occur in a smaller RPM band. A constant speed engine would be a piece of cake to control emissions, and the closest thing to that is an engine mated to a CVT.
This is why even cars like the Corvette have many speed transmissions when they also have plenty of torque, and wouldn't seem like they need the extra speeds. They want "control" of the typical RPM used, especially through a test cycle.
I have kept a spreadsheet for a number of years on the various trans and final drive ratios Subaru has used, and they do a great job matching torque needs, including launch characteristics. Too bad they didn't think they needed the "control" of the 5 speeds. Nonetheless the 4 speed is an excellent unit.
My wife an I like the 09 Forester and what they have done. I am a little disappointed in that they didn't go to the 5 speed auto because it would have allowed a lower highway RPM and better MPG for me, while maintaining a good set of 1 through 4 ratios. I get good mileage in normal use with my 06 Premium but on the highway it doesn't jump up like it should because I drive too fast.
I don't like what they have done with the new Premium because I now can't get the power seat which gave me more leg room. My wife will probably trade her 05 Bean Forester for an 09 Bean at some point, and we both like the fact that the tan interiors are gone. She doesn't mind the leather but I am not a leather person, so I don't know what I would buy if I were in the market.