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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jan 07, 2008 3:51 pm) Subaru's been holding prices down pretty well. I think you'll be able to get a Premium with automatic transmission for around $24k, and prices should start around $21k. (Good sales prices, not MSRP.  )
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Replying to: jeffmc (Jan 07, 2008 6:58 pm) -mike
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jan 07, 2008 3:51 pm) It certainly appears that most vehicals that end up in the ditches are AWD or 4x4s. Probably due to driver error, but maybe a false sense of secuirty as well. The only times AWD has helped me has been in farm fields in the spriing and winter where there is no traffic to deal with and twice on the highway climbing a hill at 5 mph during a snow storm in stop and go traffic. Some FWD cars with poor tires couldn't climb it. I imagine AWD might also help if your driving like you stole it.
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Replying to: jeffmc (Jan 07, 2008 6:58 pm) We got a FWD Sienna minivan, mostly because we still have a Subaru in our fleet, so I'll drive that when there is significant snow fall. Any how, we got about an inch a few weeks ago. The Sienna struggled to make it up my driveway. And this was just one inch of snow! It stalled about half way up, the VSC made some ugly noises, then it dug in and fought it's way up. I was shocked that a measly inch of snow gave it that much trouble. My driveway goes up an incline, and with the long wheelbase, all the weight shifts to the rear axle. I seriously doubt I could make it up my own driveway safely if we get 3" or more of snow, so I guess I'll park it on the street in those conditions. We drove the Legacy later that night and you couldn't even tell there was snow on the ground. Night and day. AWD is not over-rated, IMHO.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 08, 2008 8:50 am) The problem is that too many drivers think AWD is the panacea for every situation and it clearly is not. That's why now-a-days you seem to see more SUVs in the ditch after a big snow or ice storm. The perception (fostered by the auto makers) is that a full-size SUV can go anywhere at anytime. So you get these "idiots" blasting down the snow/ice-covered or rain-slick road just as if it was warm and sunny. And then they're completely surprised when they try to stop quickly (while tail-gating of course) and lose control. -Frank
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Replying to: p0926 (Jan 08, 2008 9:10 am) * most of the vehicles out on snowy days are SUVs * how do we even know if those SUVs were 2WD or 4WD Actually, rolled over, you can see all the hardware, so nix that 2nd item.  
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 08, 2008 10:47 am) True. Having an SUV does seem to embolden those drivers to venture out * how do we even know if those SUVs were 2WD or 4WD I have no doubt that there are SUV owners who assume that the mere fact that they're driving an SUV (regardless of whether or not its 4WD) gives them special powers  -Frank |
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Replying to: p0926 (Jan 08, 2008 2:36 pm) 
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Replying to: xwesx (Jan 08, 2008 4:07 pm) Says the man in Alaska!
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Replying to: p0926 (Jan 08, 2008 2:36 pm) And the easy access to that spare in the photo. Think of all the benefits of rollovers!
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