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Subaru Forester, Future Vehicle, Wagon
#485 of 3748 Re: 09 Impressions [jeffmc]
Mar 18, 2008 (8:44 am)
Well, its not me driving it, so I don't know. Perhaps. You all have moms! She's very particular about her comfort level, which she has with her current-gen Forester. Her concern was driving at night with the tint, considering that she feels like she can't see all that well to begin with.
My only point of comparison is my Odyssey, which, like I said, has a significantly lighter tint than the Forester seemed to. It did seem overly dark, at least to me.
Although I'd like to see her get into a vehicle with ESC, what this may do is push her to the 2008. The decontenting started a few years ago--the "X" got cheap wheels and a few other cheaper parts.
Which, by the way, is another point in the CR-V's favor---interior materials are substantially higher quality than on the Subie, which still seems rather cheap. I've always thought my mom's Forester was very cheap feeling inside, and that hasn't changed much. She absolutely hated the black cloth seats, so that's a no go, but she wants Newport Blue anyway so its not an issue. Of course, she also really doesn't like the tan interior thats in her current car, which she'd be stuck with in the 2008.
Its not an easy call for them no matter how they slice it. If the '09 had auto climate, I think it would be a done deal. I don't view the fact that the old system was hard to use as an excuse as to why I should be glad it doesn't have it, by the way--if it didn't work well, than they simply should provide a better system. The last three vehicles I';ve owned--a 2002 Oldsmobile Intrigue, a 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid, and the 2007 Odyssey (I still have the TCH too, of course) all have this feature, and its worked very well on all of them. Surely if GM could get it right in 2002 (frankly one of the few things that they DID get right) Subaru can do it in 2009. My Camry even has climate controls on the steering wheel!
#486 of 3748 Re: 09 Impressions [mfletou1]
Mar 18, 2008 (9:44 am)
Subaru CAN'T get the climate control right. Even in 2008, it's still crappy. You're better off without it.
#487 of 3748 Re: Subie Bucks [tkay]
Mar 18, 2008 (9:47 am)
Yeah, we maxed out this year already. Just this month, actually. So the timing is perfect.
We're now using our Shell gas card - 1% cash back on all purchases, 5% on Shell gasoline.
That makes $3 gas cost us $2.85, a pretty significant discount. Back when gas was cheap I didn't think it mattered much, but now it certainly does.
We'll switch back to the Subaru card in September or so, when we can start earning 3% on everything again.
And yes, I'm sure none of ours have expired. I had to tell myself to stop using them on accessories.
#488 of 3748 Re: 09 Impressions [mfletou1]
Mar 18, 2008 (2:15 pm)
Having sat in and driven both the current CR-V and the '09 Forester, I really have to disagree with the comment about the difference in interior quality.
#489 of 3748 Re: 09 Impressions [mfletou1]
Mar 18, 2008 (2:59 pm)
Yes, the CRV does have a nicer interior, and more foot room.
Unfortunately, its AWD is no match whatever for Subaru's. You can find info here at Edmunds in the straight line blog "All AWD systems are not equal":
Yes, it's apparently Subaru promotional material, but it does show the systems to their advantage
#490 of 3748 CRV vs. Forester
Mar 18, 2008 (4:26 pm)
Drove both wifes 06 CR-V EX and 09 Bean (both excellent. Bean has a b better ride and also less highway noise. Noticeably quieter.
Mar 18, 2008 (5:33 pm)
Local dealer has one '09 which they can get from another local dealer; car is close enough to what I am looking for but has some stuff I don't need.
However, does it make sense to wait two months (the amount of time it takes to order an '09 forester from Subaru, I was told) ?
These ones here are the first run, I assume. And I well remember what has happened to other first run cars I have owned (on my '04 Maxx, I missed several key safety improvements by a month - none were retrofittable). Waiting a couple of months gives Subaru some time to make some tweaks.
On other hand we have raging commodity and oil price hikes going on, which sooner or later Subaru is going to pass on to us as form of price increase.
Buy or wait ??
#492 of 3748 Re: buy or wait a bit ??? [kurtamaxxxguy]
Mar 18, 2008 (5:58 pm)
In the past we have seen them bump up the destination fee a little to cover rising costs, but no way they'll raise the price in the next few months. You could wait a couple months & see if they offer a $500 rebate by then, but I don't think they'll offer any rebates for at least 6 months, and I think Forester will be well received enough that it may not require rebates at all the first year. (Though the non-WRX Imprezas have been selling at a brisk pace and Subaru still brought a $500 rebate for those.) As far as ordering from the first batch - mechanicals and chassis are already proven, interior's essentially a carry-over from Impreza, they've got the safety thing nailed. Give it a good once-over for body panel alignment and interior fit. Tranny is the only thing I could see them changing mid-year (if they determine that's really holding back sales), but it sounded like the 4-spd drove well for you, so probably not an issue. Subaru probably hopes to keep using the 4-spd AT rather than 5-spd AT until their CVT is ready.
If it were me, and I wasn't in a rush but wanted to own a new Forester sometime before mid-summer, I'd place my order now to get one just how I want it. Only reason I'd wait would be to have the All-Weather Package (avail. in June) if I were getting a Premium.
#493 of 3748 Re: buy or wait a bit ??? [jeffmc]
Mar 18, 2008 (8:18 pm)
what's in the all weather package, jeffmc? If it's better defrosters and stuff, then yes, I will wait. I can use those here in Portland.
#494 of 3748 Re: CRV vs. Forester [tkay]
Mar 18, 2008 (8:22 pm)
Well, that's not a fair comparison though..2006 CR-V is not the current generation, there was a new vehicle for 2007 that is substantially more polished. You have to compare that car to the previous gen Forester.
I don't know which one is better between the 2008 Honda and the 2009 Subaru. I stand by my observation on the interior, though.