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Re: Running on the beach [rsholland] by noey8
Oct 19, 2009 (2:43 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Oct 19, 2009 12:39 pm)

I'm in the market for a 2010 forester and have been doing some research for quite some time now. I was really curious as to what transmission had a better performing awd (offroad). I actually contacted the owner of that red forester in the vid and he verified that it was an automatic.
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Re: Running on the beach [rsholland] by rich28
Oct 19, 2009 (3:41 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Oct 19, 2009 12:39 pm)

Wouldn't the vehicle perform better in the sand with vdc off? That way, it's more like 4wd then awd.
 
Also, I'd like to see the Forester navigate the 4wd area in the Outer Banks, especially the steep ramps over the dunes. Whose gonna video that one???
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Re: Running on the beach [noey8] by xwesx
Oct 19, 2009 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: noey8 (Oct 19, 2009 2:43 pm)

I am not going to comment on the AWD systems themselves, but without a low range, I sure find maneuvering a Subaru in off-road situations a lot easier with an auto versus a manual. I don't have any problem doing it with my old pickup truck, but the Subaru engine does not have nearly the torque and the Subaru also has a much more precise "trigger point" on the clutch pedal. That's just me, though.
 
That said, it didn't keep me from buying a manual.
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Re: Running on the beach [xwesx] by kurtamaxxxguy
Oct 19, 2009 (5:39 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Oct 19, 2009 3:55 pm)

Also note that the non-turbo '09 (and probably '10) X appear to have a faster throttle tip-in than the XT.
You'll notice it mostly in 1st gear at stoplights or at low speeds, where a tap of the throttle has the X jumping forward where the XT simply moves forward.
 
Also, the '09 XT's turbo boost appears to start around 2500 rpm and is pretty much all there just over 3000 rpm.
 
That's my experiences, anyway...your mileage may differ
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Re: Running on the beach [ateixeira] by volkov
Oct 19, 2009 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 19, 2009 12:20 pm)

I disagree there Juice, I'm pretty sure at the rev range you'd be running from a standing start that you'd see more torque from the n/a XS than the turbo. If you're up to 3k revs where the turbo starts pulling away, you'll certainly be spinning the wheels, defeating the purpose.
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Re: Running on the beach [volkov] by ateixeira
Oct 20, 2009 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: volkov (Oct 19, 2009 5:57 pm)

Yeah, guess so. At that rpm the turbo is in vacuum mode anyway, not providing boost until pressure builds.
 
Also, the n/a engine has a higher compression ratio and would make more power until the boost does arrive (hence the term "turbo lag" - you get slightly less power, then much more).
 
I think both of those were automatics.
 
The first did not appear to have traction control, but the 2nd did. There was much less wheelspin with the 2nd one. It was more controlled.
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Re: Running on the beach [ateixeira] by kurtamaxxxguy
Oct 20, 2009 (9:41 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 20, 2009 7:06 am)

My guess is older Foresters used a Limited slip rear dif to try to handle the side-side torque transfer, while new '09 and up Foresters rely on brake-based VTC for this task.
 
Apparently, the '10 Outback 3.6R (and the '09) has both LSD in back and VTC. The new rear suspension in the '10 appears to have tamed the swing-out the earlier models showed in some testing.
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Re: Running on the beach [kurtamaxxxguy] by ateixeira
Oct 20, 2009 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Oct 20, 2009 9:41 am)

The XT and XS had the rear viscous limited-slip diff, but I think the base X model only had an open diff. The front diff was open on all models.
 
That meant zero or 1 axles were "managed" for traction.
 
Now VDC manages both axles, even on the base model. That's an important improvement.
 
And note that many competitors have traction control or AWD acting at any given time, often not both. The Forester lets them act in unison. That's why if you watch the video again, all 4 wheels are accelerating, and forward progress is easy even from a dead stop in soft sand.
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Re: Running on the beach [noey8] by 26cars
Oct 20, 2009 (7:17 pm)
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Replying to: noey8 (Oct 19, 2009 11:40 am)

Thanks for the utube link, watched a bunch of the others there as well. Gives me a new appreciation of the capabilities of this little truck! Although I'll probably pass on the rock crawling and jumping.
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Re: Running on the beach [ateixeira] by billwv
Oct 21, 2009 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 20, 2009 11:58 am)

"Now VDC manages both axles, even on the base model. That's an important improvement."
 
Yes -- I think the VDC, VTC, AWD and 4AT are all electronically integrated to produce a very effective system.
 
I've been very impressed with handling in snow.
 
Bill

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