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Re: 2009 Forester reliability in CR- why just average? [maybesubie1] by maybesubie1
Jun 30, 2009 (5:14 pm)
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Replying to: maybesubie1 (Jun 29, 2009 7:21 pm)

Thanks all. I would not be looking at a turbo, so the engine problem doesn't bother me too much. I have heard concerns about the paint- not a big deal. Also not looking for a premium audio system. Glad to hear that most of the issues are minor and may get ironed out as they get into the 2010's.
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fuel cost comparison by kurtamaxxxguy
Jun 30, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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Forester X cost for 10,000 miles of driving;
$2.69 gal 22 mpg
$1222
 
Forester XT cost for 10,000 miles driving;
$2.99 gal 20 mpg
$1495
 
Outback H6 cost for 10,000 miles driving:
$2.69 gal 18 mpg
$1494
 
These are all 2010 models being compared.
Interesting that fuel expense for the Outback H6 is similar to the Forester XT.
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Re: fuel cost comparison [kurtamaxxxguy] by ateixeira
Jul 01, 2009 (9:46 am)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Jun 30, 2009 6:28 pm)

The new 3.6l H6 runs on regular fuel. So it uses more fuel, but the fuel itself is cheaper than the premium the turbos want, so it balances out.
 
The CVT Outback 2.5i is rated at 31mpg highway, mama-mia! Ultra-tall highway gearing gets the credit for that, it's chugging along at 2000rpm at 80mph.
 
That makes me want to sample a Forester CVT...it's lighter, maybe 32mpg? Sign me up!
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Re: fuel cost comparison [ateixeira] by saedave
Jul 01, 2009 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 01, 2009 9:46 am)

That makes me want to sample a Forester CVT...it's lighter, maybe 32mpg? Sign me up!
 
But at what price? I would not be surprised at higher production cost for the CVT than the 4-speed's guts which is probably a high volume production JATCO unit.
 
Does anyone know who actually builds the CVT belt assembly? It would be no surprise if it is JATCO with parts shared by Nissan and Toyota.
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CVT belt drive by kurtamaxxxguy
Jul 01, 2009 (4:18 pm)
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Replying to: saedave (Jul 01, 2009 12:29 pm)

Does anyone know who actually builds the CVT belt assembly? It would be no surprise if it is JATCO with parts shared by Nissan and Toyota.
 
Several articles said the Subaru CVT's chain is licensed and sourced from the same company building Audi's CVT's (it does not use a belt - the chain has much greater strength and wear resistance). The rest of the CVT is built by Subaru.
 
The 5-speed auto is probably the same one Subaru has used in the past with a few updates. I've read it's sourced from Nissan and is in limited supply.
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subaru reliability by kurtamaxxxguy
Jul 01, 2009 (7:22 pm)
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Those wanting to report their Forester's reliability, especially those with XT's, might want to visit the truedelta.com website and give them your service history.
They ask very few "personal" questions.
 
I don't work for them, BTW.
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Re: CVT belt drive [kurtamaxxxguy] by saedave
Jul 02, 2009 (5:48 am)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Jul 01, 2009 4:18 pm)

The 5-speed auto is probably the same one Subaru has used in the past with a few updates. I've read it's sourced from Nissan and is in limited supply
 
Subaru has previously stated that it is a JATCO 4 speed modified by Subaru to five speeds. I believe the modification process is the bottleneck.
 
If the CVT chain and pulleys are common with Audi why the seemingly low torque capacity? Or is there a fore-and-aft dimension increase that is incompatible with the six cylinder in the chassis?
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Re: fuel cost comparison [ateixeira] by samiam_68
Jul 02, 2009 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 01, 2009 9:46 am)

The CVT Outback 2.5i is rated at 31mpg highway
 
The '10 OB CVT is rated 29 MPG on the highway. Legacy CVT is 31.
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Re: CVT belt drive [saedave] by rsholland
Jul 02, 2009 (8:29 am)
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Replying to: saedave (Jul 02, 2009 5:48 am)

If you're asking why the H6 doesn't have the CVT, I suspect it has to do with Subaru wanting to prove the CVT in real-life conditions with a less powerful powerplant. I fully expect the H6 will get the CVT in a year or so. Keep in mind that Subaru is a very conservative company. They're just playing it safe.
 
Bob
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Re: CVT belt drive [rsholland] by saedave
Jul 02, 2009 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jul 02, 2009 8:29 am)

They're just playing it safe
 
Or cheap. The cost of re-certifying a low volume product with the CVT could have been too much....and if fuel economy rules are tightened much more the 3.6 liter engine with either transmission may become history.

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