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Re: Inside chemical fogging of windows [volkov] by ateixeira
Jan 15, 2009 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Jan 15, 2009 12:11 pm)

I've only used them on the outside of cars after washing, but for whatever reason it is an amazing way to leave zero residue and no streaks. Far better than paper towels, cloth towels, chamois, etc.
 
I usually squeejee them and then dry off the lines with newspaper. The glass is totally transparent when I'm done.
 
Does anyone know more about why newspaper is good for drying glass?
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Re: Inside chemical fogging of windows [ateixeira] by xwesx
Jan 15, 2009 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 15, 2009 12:14 pm)

No, but I have the same results. It does not seem to matter whether the paper is printed or not. Our local newspaper gives away its roll remnants - that is a nice place to get paper for crafts, moving, etc.
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Re: Winter wiper blades [billwv] by xwesx
Jan 15, 2009 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: billwv (Jan 14, 2009 7:30 pm)

Bill:
 
I actually find that I have less problems when I keep the exterior windshield temperature below freezing, which means as little "defroster" as possible. When I blast the defroster on the inside of the windshield, it makes the glass just warm enough on the outside that snow will melt, then freeze, on the glass. When that happens, you are asking a lot from the wipers to keep the screen clean.
 
A good low-temp washer fluid can help, as will good winter wiper blades - something without exposed metal parts. Ice builds up in there and the wiper cannot form to the window, so you get only tiny patches of wiper contacting the glass. I use Trico Neoform blades on my vehicles. They are the best I have tried and work well year-round. But, if the blades start icing up, their performance will go down as well.
 
The trick is to keep the water either frozen or liquid, not alternating between the two. A defroster is not going to solve the problem unless outside temperatures are real close to freezing. When you're driving, the faster you go, the higher the rate of heat loss off the glass surface.
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Subaru Remotes by capitano
Jan 15, 2009 (1:46 pm)
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My 09 Forester is only my second vehicle with a key fob remote. It seems to be noticeably weaker than the Toyota one I use on my other vehicle. By weaker I mean that if I am walking away from the vehicle holding the remote in front of me it will not lock the car. My body is enough to block the signal. The Toyota remote has had the same battery for five and half years and doesn't have this problem.
 
Is this normal for Subarus?
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Re: Subaru Remotes [capitano] by volkov
Jan 15, 2009 (2:02 pm)
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Replying to: capitano (Jan 15, 2009 1:46 pm)

Mine has a relatively short range, but no problem going through interior and exterior walls from 30' when I accidentally hit the panic button.
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Re: Inside chemical fogging of windows [sgloon] by bigfrank3
Jan 15, 2009 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: sgloon (Jan 15, 2009 11:24 am)

I have had the out-gassing problem with many vehicles, especially in the real hot summer months. I do get it in the winter too, and both my wife's Forester and mine seem to be among the worst we have owned with trying to get the inside of the windshield clean, and stay that way for a while.
 
I would describe what we "see" as greasy, that smears easily when touched. I have tried all kinds of cleaners and all kinds of paper towels, even newspaper. Nothing is great, and I usually have to clean the windshield at least 3 times to get it satisfactory for a short while. I agree that it is a real pain.
 
What I have found that helps is to clean and protect the dash vinyl areas including the defroster vents. I have used a couple of things for this, 303 being one, but what I find the best is the Armor All product. This is not the original one that leaves everything too shiny and gives reflections, but the one in the bottle with the black and blue label. It is offered as a cleaner but the small print says it also protects. This stops or at least slows the out-gassing.
 
By the way, when you see an old car with the dash all cracked and split, that is because all the plasticizer has out-gassed from the vinyl. It is put into the process for flexibility. The plasticizer is the greasy smear.
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Re: Inside chemical fogging of windows [sgloon] by samiam_68
Jan 15, 2009 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: sgloon (Jan 15, 2009 11:24 am)

To determine whether the filmy residue is coming out of the defroster, tape a small piece of bright white paper over a section of the defroster opening and leave it there for a week or two. Then remove it, and observe any residue. If you see residue, you can show that to your dealer.
 
FYI, my 04 Forester never had any noticeable outgassing problems because it has a hard plastic dash. My 96 Legacy had a pretty bad problem because of soft vinyl dash, but only in hot/warm weather.
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Re: Winter wiper blades [xwesx] by billwv
Jan 15, 2009 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Jan 15, 2009 12:32 pm)

Thanks. It makes sense. I'll try your suggestions.
 
Bill
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Re: Inside chemical fogging of windows [samiam_68] by w8ifi
Jan 16, 2009 (2:30 am)
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Replying to: samiam_68 (Jan 15, 2009 2:55 pm)

Does your fogging coincide with a recent snow fall? In the winter here in snow country I always run my air circulation for the heater on outside air source(not recirculate).
The reason is that snow from our boots collects on the floor and floor mats. As the cabin section heats up the high rise in humidity of melting snow hits the cold windows and condenses. This creates fogging. Outside air being drier keeps the humidity level lower.
Jim
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Re: Inside chemical fogging of windows [w8ifi] by sgloon
Jan 16, 2009 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: w8ifi (Jan 16, 2009 2:30 am)

Jim,
 
Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, no the fogging occurs any time I am running the defrost/heater. We haven't had any snow in a while now.
 
The "fog" is not water vapor which can be wiped off. This is a greasy film, that apparently Subaru knows about, but isn't doing anything about. If I used my car every day, I would have to wash all of the windows every day in order to be safe driving the car. On trips to Denver, an hour away, it is a concern as coming back is pretty unsafe to drive due to the build up of this greasy substance on the windshield.
 
Worse, it is hard to wash off. The typical windex, glass plus and other alcohol base cleaners don't take it off, they just smear the film. One dealer told me they used some industrial cleaner to get it off. I don't have access to that, so I keep cleaning it with off the shelf stuff which doesn't really get it off. It gets better, but it is still and issue.
 
Also, now in the daytime, the dash and anything on the dash is very clearly reflected in the glass, so that is also not good for driving either.
 
I am also very concerned that I am breathing this stuff and injuring my health. Lately my lymphnodes in the back of my throat have swollen up and it is hard to swallow, etc. I have never had this type of "sickness", and I haven't been sick, not even a cold, for several years. I'm guessing it is related to this gaseous material that I am breathing in in the car. And it isn't a cold, as I haven't moved into the rest of the usual cold symptoms.
 
Is anyone else having this in their car???

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