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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [volkov] by sgloon
Dec 11, 2008 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Dec 11, 2008 9:06 am)

Thanks for the recommendation, Volkov.
 
We have extremely variable weather where I am. I was riding my bike in 70F weather on Tuesday and Thursday we got 8 inches of snow.
And most of the year will be on dry pavement...(especially since they started using the Mag Chloride). I've never bought snow tires here for just that reason, can't justify the expenditure. And we typically don't get as cold as places like Wisconsin...although we may have a few days below zero. The coldest I've ever seen it here in 20 years is -20. And typically, we have at least one day up to 70 every month of the year.
 
Do you think Subaru would replace the tires?
 
Kurt, I'll look to hear your report after your storm. After it hits you, it'll be coming here, per our weatherman.
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [sgloon] by xwesx
Dec 11, 2008 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: sgloon (Dec 11, 2008 12:19 pm)

No, I highly doubt that Subaru will do anything to help with your tires.
 
If you want all-seasons that are great in snow/slush at a decent price and won't wear down excessively on dry pavement, you should consider Goodyear Assurance TripleTread. I had them on my 1996 Outback and they were fantastic. With an 80,000 mile treadwear warranty, they also last a good, long time. I would normally keep 80K treadwear tires on my car for three years, and have somewhere between 65,000 and 75,000 on them at replacement. I only had the Tripletreads on the car for about 13 months when I lost it, but they were not noticeably worn at that point, with about 22,000 miles on them.
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [xwesx] by kurtamaxxxguy
Dec 11, 2008 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Dec 11, 2008 1:59 pm)

I have to agree with xwersx - Subaru won't do anything wrt tires. In fact, the Forester's Tire warranty is through Yokohama, not Subaru.
If your Geolanders are relatively new, the Nokian dealer may give you something for them in trade (as he did for mine - not much, but it helped).
 
The Nokian WR model's definitely more spongy feeling than the newer WRG2. WR's a 2002 design lacking special tread stabilizers or an asymmetrical tread. Still, they may be cheaper.
 
You can try AUTOSOCKS. I found the size recommended for the Forester XT works just fine on the Nokians (I only have one pair - intended for front wheels), and those are in reserve just in case the Nokians run up against ice they cannot handle.
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [kurtamaxxxguy] by sgloon
Dec 11, 2008 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Dec 11, 2008 4:07 pm)

Thanks to both of you for comments.
 
Kurt, are the AUTOSOCKS like chains?
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [sgloon] by kurtamaxxxguy
Dec 11, 2008 (7:33 pm)
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Replying to: sgloon (Dec 11, 2008 5:15 pm)

AutoSocks are tough fabric bands with mesh sides that fit over the wheels like wheel covers (installing them takes around a minute or two at most per wheel). The fabric has a very high friction coefficient on snow and ice, generating traction. They're not quite as good as chains in really deep snow, but otherwise work well for winter driving enhancement. They come from Norway but are sold by TIRE RACK and other auto part retailers.
 
Size match to tire is critical, though. Too small and you cannot slip them on. Too big and they'll wander over the wheels and possibly jam up the wheel well. They can be driven for short distances on dry roads, but it's not recommended.
 
For the Forester XT, size 745 seems to work well for the 225 x 55 x 17 Nokians I have on it.
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [mwasnidge] by ateixeira
Dec 12, 2008 (6:57 am)
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Replying to: mwasnidge (Dec 06, 2008 10:57 am)

I remember build-up on my old rims, and what helped was cleaning and even waxing the rims themselves. When I rotate the tires I do that, because it's easier. That keep the wheels balanced (ice is heavy and can throw them way off balance).
 
The wheel wells are harder, though, because you can't wax plastic. I do recommend keeping them clean. Use a power washer for the wheel wells and undercarriage each time you wash the Forester. Any car, really.
 
I wonder if a light coating of lithium grease in some problem spots would help, so the ice would not stick on? WD40 is oil based and might harm some plastics and rubber.
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [kurtamaxxxguy] by xwesx
Dec 12, 2008 (2:44 pm)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Dec 11, 2008 7:33 pm)

AutoSocks - I had never heard of those before. I think I will check them out!
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [ateixeira] by kurtamaxxxguy
Dec 12, 2008 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 12, 2008 6:57 am)

Putting any kind of lube (wax, grease, etc) in wheel wells raises the potential of that stuff getting mixed in with snow that then, when it falls off, ends up lubricating the tires with wax or grease, destroying their traction.
 
Unfortunately I know of no spray-on Teflon coatings or something that will stay put in a wheelwell.
 
Meanwhile, the first big winter storm is socking Portland OR tonight. We should have snow tomorrow - adventure beckons.
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varying reports are confusing by kurtamaxxxguy
Dec 12, 2008 (11:02 pm)
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Do any of the expert Subaru folks here have an explanation for why there is such a wide variation of opinion regarding the '09 XT handling?
 
I compared the '09 Forester XT with the '08 Outback XT and found the Forester leaned way less in turns. In my driving, it only leans if I turn really fast (like a hard turn at 50 or 60 mph). In normal driving, changing lanes, etc., it leans less than the Outback or the Mailbu Maxx I used to drive.
 
Yet when I read reviews, some claim the XT heels over like an old barge or something in turns. Granted, with nearly 9" or so of ground clearance, I would expect some lean in really hard cornering - the XT is not a racer.
 
Given that many car magazines /web sites actually test mules / pre-production samples, might it be the pre-production samples had different suspension calibration than the actual production run?
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Re: varying reports are confusing [kurtamaxxxguy] by volkov
Dec 13, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Dec 12, 2008 11:02 pm)

At one level it didn't make any sense to me either. Having driven both the 09 Forester and the Rav4 for example it seemed strange that the Rav4 wasn't slagged universally for its handling given the comments on the Forester. I wonder if it's being held to a higher standard being the "performance" model. There is no difference between the handling of the XT and the top tier X. If the WRX was simply an Impreza with a 265hp engine, it would be vilified for its handling and rightly so. Mabye they are comparing it to the old model which was more settled and certainly moreso than the competition. Seems unfair though.

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