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Re: winter mileage [volkov] by xwesx
Dec 05, 2008 (12:02 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Dec 05, 2008 11:14 am)

Right - ATF is always a problem in cold temperatures. That is one thing that blows me away about the transmission in my Escort. Manual, but uses ATF???? Hmm.
 
All automatics are winterized here with a pan heater on the transmission. Manuals are not, as the fluid can (should) be swapped out with an appropriate gear oil.
 
Amsoil universal ATF has the best cold-weather properties I have found, but even it will get very gummy at -50F (according to the temperature ratings - I have not experienced those temps with the Amsoil yet), but at least it is still quite fluid at -30F, which is a far more common winter temperature here than -50!
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Re: Catch up.... [kurtamaxxxguy] by ateixeira
Dec 05, 2008 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Dec 04, 2008 4:57 pm)

Sounds useful. Had never heard of dry lube before. Thanks for the explanation.
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Re: winter mileage [xwesx] by w8ifi
Dec 05, 2008 (10:31 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Dec 05, 2008 8:34 am)

Sometimes you'd have to crank the engine extra long and the battery would get so low the specific gravity would drop so all there was left was frozen water, buckled battery plates and ice ooozing out!! Or someone might offer to give you a push to get started and the tires wouldn't turn over and you'd do a tandem slide until you found a spot of dry pavement so friction would make the wheels move.
One real cold night I went into my dad's garage and found a can of mobil one and a can of ten thirty. the 10-30 wouldn't pour and the mobil one poured slowly like molasses.
fun days......
Jim
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Snow and ice build up in wheel wells by mwasnidge
Dec 06, 2008 (10:57 am)
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The cold and snowy Wisconsin winter has finally hit! I had actually been looking forward to the snow so I could test out the fabled AWD system the way it was meant to be used, and I have to say, it blew me away! This is the first AWD vehicle I have driven in Winter and the difference is night and day.
However, I have noticed that even on a 10 minute drive to work through 4 inches the accumulation of packed snow and ice in all four wheel wells is just unbelievable! To be expected I suppose and normally wouldn't bother me, but I got the rugged package and if I try and kick the ice off, the flimsy splash guards and wheel arch moldings feel like they're going to come away with the ice even with the lightest tap.
It was to the point where I could hear and feel the packed ice rubbing on all four wheels, and when braking the noise was awful. Unfortunately I haven't got a heated garage, so it's going to be spending the majority of the Winter outside.
 
Anyone else finding the same with the splash guards? Any tips or suggestions?
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [mwasnidge] by barneyapple
Dec 06, 2008 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: mwasnidge (Dec 06, 2008 10:57 am)

havent been in the snow yet but one of my mud guards fell off from hitting a bump- they are flimsy and only held on by one screw and 3 plastic rivits. the body of the forester seems thinner than most cars, if you barely lean against it, it will bend. runs well but cheaply made. the interior scratches really easy too. just hoping the engine/4wd is not going to fall apart like the body
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [mwasnidge] by w8ifi
Dec 06, 2008 (6:19 pm)
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Replying to: mwasnidge (Dec 06, 2008 10:57 am)

Up here in the U.P. it happened on all my cars. Road vibration, heat from the tires, and road salt will usually keep enough of a groove so the tires won't lock up. Sometimes after a long straight stretch you will find it's a little difficult to turn from the ice on the sides. Nothing to be alarmed about, just be prepared for it. Sometimes a chunk breaks loose when you are moving and can sure make funny noises until it breaks free. I've never had any serious trouble on any car from the build up.
Jim
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [w8ifi] by xwesx
Dec 08, 2008 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: w8ifi (Dec 06, 2008 6:19 pm)

That is my experience as well. If you do not have a heated garage to let it clear, I tend to either bum 4-5 hours of garage space from a friend to let it melt out, or head to an indoor car wash and have them spray down the undercarriage with high-pressure hot water. a couple minutes through one of those has the ice gone and the car all shiny again, to boot! But, then a few more minutes on the road.....
 
Happily, sticky snow is the exception here rather than the rule. It is mostly too cold for the snow to stick in appreciable quantities.
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [mwasnidge] by sgloon
Dec 09, 2008 (1:11 am)
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Replying to: mwasnidge (Dec 06, 2008 10:57 am)

I am definitely finding the same snow build up and more. I am in CO and we have just had 2 snowstorms. The slush/snow build up is not only on the wheel wells, it is all along the side of the car by the doors, etc. The splash guards appear to be pretty worthless IMHO.
 
I expect the splash guards will be worthless(or gone) after one season as they made them so that there is a "hole" that the snow is pushed up into on the tire side. I expect after a few freeze thaw cycles with the build up in there, they will break and start to fall apart. Bad design!!! I don't understand the hole. Any comments?
 
In the past, I have kicked a bunch of the build up off, but with this car it takes some work. Not like the old rubber flaps.
 
To say the least, I am very disappointed with this issue. Still like the car though...
 
Also, my last Subaru was a 2WD. This Forester with AWD is fishtailing on all corners, even when going slow from a start-up. And not in what I would typically consider icy conditions. My 2WD didn't do that. Is this normal for AWD? Or should I have something checked?
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [sgloon] by xwesx
Dec 09, 2008 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: sgloon (Dec 09, 2008 1:11 am)

The fishtailing is likely a grip issue, which means the tires are not performing well. What are the specs on your Forester (year, model, etc)?
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Re: Snow and ice build up in wheel wells [xwesx] by kurtamaxxxguy
Dec 09, 2008 (9:45 am)
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Replying to: xwesx (Dec 09, 2008 9:29 am)

Also, comparing a FWD to an AWD's a little tricky. In very slippery conditions a FWD will usually understeer as its front dances over the road, dragging the rear behind it. AWD has potential to "fishtail" either end of vehicle, depending which end of vehicle looses traction first.
 
But xwesx has good point wrt tires. Most of Subaru's new tire choices don't seem to work well on ice. Old tires without sipes or flexible tread compound will perform badly on snow as well as ice.

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