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Re: winter mileage [w8ifi] by volkov
Dec 04, 2008 (12:12 pm)
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Replying to: w8ifi (Dec 03, 2008 9:16 pm)

Which is why a block heater can have such a significant improvement for fuel economy since that heating is done directly with electricity and not with gas before you start driving.
I remember an instant improvement in FE when I switched to synthetic in the old WRX.
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Catch up.... by ateixeira
Dec 04, 2008 (12:39 pm)
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I missed a bunch, too busy at work.
 
Let's see, people asked about reliability, well I got good news from TrueDelta, that web site that registers VINs of actual vehicles and tracks reliability as things happen, and they actually said the 2009 Forester was a stand-out among new models this year. They singled out 2 of the best new cars, and it was one of them.
 
Kurt commented that the non-turbo engine was responsive, and I have to agree, in fact I've said that all along. volkov mentioned it was the higher compression (agreed) and that the gearing was the same in the 1st three gears. True, except the turbo has a taller final drive ratio. So effective gearing is taller on the turbo, another reason the non-turbo feels more responsive until the turbo spools up.
 
As mentioned here, the Ltd model does have the power seat. So as you step up among the naturally aspirated models, you get a lot of the content of the XT. One thing you don't get is the telescoping wheel, but the position is fine for both me and my wife, so we don't miss that.
 
kurt: what do you mean by "dry lubricant" in post 2635? Just curious.
 
TPMS saved us, too. It went off and sure enough, one tire had low pressure. I know some people complain and don't want to see more idiot lights, but this one is actually useful.
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Re: Catch up.... [ateixeira] by kurtamaxxxguy
Dec 04, 2008 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 04, 2008 12:39 pm)

Dry lube is a kind of spray lube that creates a dry, powder-type coating. It is not oily, and does not smear or stain much.
Liquid Wrench and a few other companies make this, usually sold at Home Depot and other builder supply stores.
 
Wrt the Nokian WRG2's, they seem to be doing fine. Pressure is 34 front, 32 rear (PSI). They've definitely made the XT's ride less harsh on small bumps, and seem to grip the road better.
 
So far the front doors, with vibration supression insulation added by the dealer under warranty, have stayed quiet.
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Re: winter mileage [xwesx] by w8ifi
Dec 04, 2008 (7:09 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Dec 04, 2008 8:33 am)

Once in awhile we would have 35 below and I had no garage. I had to put both feet on the clutch with the shift in neutral and let it run for 10 minutes before I dared release the clutch in neutral! You probably had more than a few mornings like that. There weren't synthetics in those days but they sure would have made a difference.
Jim
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Re: winter mileage [volkov] by w8ifi
Dec 04, 2008 (7:15 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Dec 04, 2008 12:12 pm)

Exactly, and all those little things really help on cold mornings.!! The savings on batteries, starters and engine components is worth it. One car dealer near me won't sell a car without a block heater.
My Subaru will warm up well in two miles, my chrysler takes 6 miles at highway speeds.
Jim
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Re: winter mileage [w8ifi] by xwesx
Dec 05, 2008 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: w8ifi (Dec 04, 2008 7:09 pm)

Hahahah - bingo! I know that technique well. On extremely cold mornings (~minus 50), I can actually hear the lube begin to spin in the transmission as I (slowly) release the clutch. That was on my old '69 Chevy pickup; I never experienced anything that cold with the '07 Outback, and this is the first winter with the Escort (coldest so far is about -25F). I am not even confident the car would start at -50 - even after a few hours sucking electricity.
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Re: winter mileage [w8ifi] by billwv
Dec 05, 2008 (8:42 am)
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Replying to: w8ifi (Dec 04, 2008 7:15 pm)

Hello All,
 
I have had my 2009 Forester 2.5X 4AT for three months, now. I love this car -- best car I have ever had -- no problems, so far.
 
I have been reading the forum with interest. One question I have is:
 
When you are refering to the engine being "warmed up", are your refering to the blue light going out or some other criteria.
 
Here in West Virginia winters are not nearly as severe as many of you are describing, yet, the cold weather effects are quite noticable.
 
Thanks for your comments. I have learned alot from these forums.
 
Bill
West Virginia
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Re: winter mileage [billwv] by xwesx
Dec 05, 2008 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: billwv (Dec 05, 2008 8:42 am)

Ah, the blue "dummy" light. I think I would find that annoying - I like gauges.
 
In my experience, the engine can warm up at different rates than the rest of the car. In terms of engine operating efficiency, the blue light turning off is a good indicator that the engine is warmed. But, in very cold weather, accessories and drivetrain components, like the transmission and differentials, could take longer to warm as it is all based on heat-by-friction. The more they turn, the more the fluids warm, but the colder it is, the more heat is required to warm them to normal operating temperature. The parasitic loss on the engine is all a matter of the fluid viscosity (resistance to movement). Therefore, the lower the viscosity of a fluid at a given temperature, the less energy will be used to move that component. In a differential or transmission especially, that translates to more energy at the wheels.
 
When choosing fluids for a vehicle, you want to go with the fluid that will give the best protection at the lowest viscosity within a given ambient temperature range. Fluids that work best at extremely cold temperatures are not likely the ones that would provide the best protection at extremely high temperatures (typically >100F), so I would not likely put the same fluids in my car here in Fairbanks, Alaska as I would in, say, Florida.
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Re: winter mileage [xwesx] by volkov
Dec 05, 2008 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: xwesx (Dec 05, 2008 9:04 am)

But don't forget that tranny fluid needs some viscosity to work properly. Tough to strike that balance without feeling like you're mixing cement with the shifter when it's 30 below.
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Re: winter mileage [volkov] by xwesx
Dec 05, 2008 (12:02 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Dec 05, 2008 11:14 am)

Right - ATF is always a problem in cold temperatures. That is one thing that blows me away about the transmission in my Escort. Manual, but uses ATF???? Hmm.
 
All automatics are winterized here with a pan heater on the transmission. Manuals are not, as the fluid can (should) be swapped out with an appropriate gear oil.
 
Amsoil universal ATF has the best cold-weather properties I have found, but even it will get very gummy at -50F (according to the temperature ratings - I have not experienced those temps with the Amsoil yet), but at least it is still quite fluid at -30F, which is a far more common winter temperature here than -50!

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