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Replying to: comet48 (May 02, 2008 5:54 pm) 2009 Forester LL Bean Edition, without NAV." Thanks, Comet--exactly the opposite of my dealer eventually told me. He checked and was told that it's incompatible with the upgraded radio in the Beans and Limiteds. As you suggest, I guess the complete answer is that nobody's sure whether it works or not, so I'm also inclined to wait.
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Replying to: mfletou1 (Mar 25, 2008 8:08 am)
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Replying to: cshopper (May 05, 2008 8:44 am) From a pure spec perspective, the CRV and RAV4 have max volume of 73 cub. ft. Forester has 68. |
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Replying to: cshopper (May 05, 2008 8:44 am) Toyota specs are more limited on their web-site. While it's true the Rav4 has great cargo room, the Forester has more headroom and more front legroom and rear shoulder room. Despite the slightly longer rear legroom in the Rav, the front seats sit low. As has been mentioned the new Forester gives a nice amount of foot room - something not reflected in interior measurements. That is very useful for kids with big snow boots. In the end, Honda and Toyo haven't achieved something Subaru didn't, it's just different organizing that's all. The rear cargo capacity is not the single most important feature of these vehicles for most buyers, so a slight edge in that department does not put them in a different class.
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Simple - the Forester is almost as big as the Tribeca, too. In fact I wonder if the box from that video would fit in the Tribeca with the hatch closed - my honest guess is "no", due to the angle of the hatch. The main reason the Tribeca does not compete with the CR-V and RAV4 (and Forester while we're at it) is because of the interior upgrades you don't find in this class. Check out the headliner - same material used in the $70,000 VW Phaeton. Identical. It also has softer plastics, thicker carpets, etc. The Tribeca's achilles heel is that it really is not very space efficient. That plus visibility is only so-so. The Forester is the opposite. Space efficiency is great, it's one of the smallest entries in the segment on the outside, yet inside it has a ton of useable space. Look at the floor width, for instance. And visibility is the best in class, perhaps the best crossover period. The new Forester bodes well for the next-generation Tribeca. I'm sure they will make similar improvements. |
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25.5 mpg around town and up to 30 on the highway sounds good, especially given it's probably not even broken in yet. You should see a 1-2 mpg improvement as it breaks in. Still cannot find an LL Bean model, time to give up and order one? Thing is, we really want the PZEV model. Angel on my left shoulder: That is because we care about the environment and wish to minimize emissions as much as possible for our children. Devil on my right shoulder: Nonsense. We want the extra 5hp that comes with no penalty in fuel economy. So the odds of sitting back and finding a PZEV in Blue or Silver, LL Bean model, no Nav, are about .... zero.
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OK, I apologize to the Tribeca. I checked and cargo width is similar, per cars101 the Forester is 42.2" between the wheel wells and the Tribeca has 43". Tribeca wins easily on length, 44" to 35.5". So even though the hatch has more rake to it, the box I was referring to should easily fit inside. I should have known, given Subaru used the same compact rear suspension from the Tribeca for the Forester. |
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Replying to: volkov (May 05, 2008 10:26 am) "the cargo and passenger volume of Cr-v and Forester X are almost identical" These are the manufacturer, per SAE guidlines, figures I saw: Tribeca: 2nd row seats folded=74 cu feet, 2nd row seats up = 37.6 cu ft Forester: 2nd row seats folded=63 cu feet, 2nd row seats up = 31 cu ft CRV: 2nd row seats folded = 72.9 cu feet, 2nd row seats up = 35.7 cu ft RAV4: 2nd row seats folded = 73 cu feet per these numbers, the CRV has almost 10 cu feet more cargo volume, that seems like a lot more. Honda spent a lot of time on rejiggering their interior panels to eke out more interior space on the CRV, I think that shows. Subaru also has a different drivetrain layout (boxer, AWD) than other manufacturers that may/may not impact how much wheelbase gets translated into legroom etc... I haven't seen all the numbers on the Subaru but perhaps they are getting much better than they were. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 05, 2008 10:45 am) Now, if you were to say that you want to buy 1 and bring it to Maryland to help spread the gospel to states that don't have PZEV, the world is yours  !!!
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Replying to: tinycadon (May 05, 2008 6:03 pm)  -mike |
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