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Re: Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda 3 vs. Volkswaggen Jetta vs. Chevrolet CObalt [autonomous]
by backy
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Dec 21, 2007 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: autonomous (Dec 21, 2007 2:21 pm)
Why is that? What if someone wants to buy a new model that CR has tested, it's done well in their tests, but there's not enough reliability data for CR to recommended it yet. Are you saying that no one should buy that car until CR's surveys cough up enough data to let CR give it a predicted reliability score? 
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- #14 of 49
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Re: Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda 3 vs. Volkswaggen Jetta vs. Chevrolet CObalt
by tpulak
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Dec 21, 2007 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 21, 2007 3:16 pm)
By far, which is(overall) the most......
expensive:
least expensive:
most powerful:
least powerful:
most mpg:
least mpg:
most reliable:
least reliable:
I need to see it in this format.
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Re: Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda 3 vs. Volkswaggen Jetta vs. Chevrolet CObalt [tpulak]
by backy
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Dec 21, 2007 (5:10 pm)
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Replying to: tpulak (Dec 21, 2007 4:20 pm)
As you wish, my Master [insert wheezing sound ala Darth Vader]:
expensive: too close to call between Jetta and Mazdaspeed3
least expensive: Cobalt, especially looking at real-world prices
most powerful: Mazdaspeed3 in a run-away
least powerful: Corolla
most mpg: Corolla
least mpg: Mazdaspeed3(?)
most reliable: Corolla (per CR surveys)
least reliable: (tie) Cobalt and Jetta 2.5 (per CR surveys)
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Re: Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda 3 vs. Volkswaggen Jetta vs. Chevrolet CObalt [backy]
by poncho167
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Dec 22, 2007 (4:58 am)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 21, 2007 5:10 pm)
Remember this is CR you are refering to which should not be taken too seriously.
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Re: Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda 3 vs. Volkswaggen Jetta vs. Chevrolet CObalt
by jtk152
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Dec 22, 2007 (7:40 am)
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Replying to: tpulak (Dec 21, 2007 4:20 pm)
IMO, the only two in this list that somewhat compare are the Corolla and the Cobalt. They are both small, basic cars with a 4cyl engine and choice of 5spd or auto. As said again and again, the Cobalt will be more 'fun' to drive and feel more powerful, but wont be put together as well as the Corolla. If you want basic, no frills, non exciting, fuel efficient transportation, go with the Corolla. Who knows, you might like one over the other. The reason I bought my 2007 Cobalt LS, 4dr, auto, was there was nothing else on the market back in the spring of '07 that gave me more bang for the buck. I couldn't get a Hyundai or Kia for the out the door price I paid. (~$12100)
Joel
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Re: Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda 3 vs. Volkswaggen Jetta vs. Chevrolet CObalt [jtk152]
by backy
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Dec 22, 2007 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: jtk152 (Dec 22, 2007 7:40 am)
The Mazda3i is also a pretty basic, 4-cylinder car with a choice of a 5 speed or automatic. In fact, I think the Mazda3i is the most well-rounded car in this bunch. It has good power (over 150 hp), great handling, good fuel economy (esp. with the 2.0L and 5-speed), good reliability, is reasonably priced (especially for a car made in Japan), and is good looking inside and out (subjective). The Mazda3i will be more fun to drive than either the Corolla or Cobalt. It's possible to get a Cobalt or even a Corolla for less money than the Mazda3i, but IMO they are not nearly the car that the Mazda3i is.
If price is THE object, one option to consider is the Spectra--starts at around $11k in real-world pricing and is at least as good as the Corolla and better than the Cobalt, IMO.
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Re: Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda 3 vs. Volkswaggen Jetta vs. Chevrolet CObalt [backy]
by aviboy97
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Dec 22, 2007 (12:43 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 22, 2007 12:24 pm)
You get what you pay for....it's as simple as that. Cobalt, Spectra are priced pretty low, but you don't get much in terms of options or quality. Although, the Spectra is turning out to be a decent car. Mazda3 is more of a car then both, hence, it costs more plus it has been reliable.
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Re: Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda 3 vs. Volkswaggen Jetta vs. Chevrolet CObalt
by jtk152
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Dec 22, 2007 (2:58 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 22, 2007 12:24 pm)
You have to bump up to the Spectra EX to get standard A/C. If you add AT, you are close to $15K. For a [lower end] Kia? C'mon. A Mazda3 will be thousands more than a Cobalt LS. Again, I think we are getting into an apples to oranges comparison. IMO, if you intend to spend $15K+ on a small vehicle, why even consider a Cobalt??
Joel
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Re: Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda 3 vs. Volkswaggen Jetta vs. Chevrolet CObalt [jtk152]
by backy
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Dec 22, 2007 (3:41 pm)
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Replying to: jtk152 (Dec 22, 2007 2:58 pm)
Did the Cobalt LS AT you bought for $12,100 have a list price of $12,100, or did you buy it for $12,100? (I noticed a 2008 Cobalt LS base model with AT lists for $15.5k.) Likewise, just because a Spectra with AC and AT lists for close to $15k doesn't mean that's what the negotiated price, with rebates, is.
I agree though, if you are going to spend $15k for a vehicle, there are much better options than a Cobalt.
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- #22 of 49
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Re: Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda 3 vs. Volkswaggen Jetta vs. Chevrolet CObalt
by jtk152
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Dec 22, 2007 (6:01 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 22, 2007 3:41 pm)
The sticker on my 2007 LS 4dr,AT, was $14640. I qualified for a $2000 rebate and a $500 "conquest" rebate.14640 - 2500= 12140. Which was the cash price. To complicate matters, I traded in our 2005 Trailblazer, which I owed some money on, but came out ahead in the trade in. All said and done, I got the Cobalt for just over $8K. I financed and put nothing down.
Joel
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