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#14 of 25 Re: Reviving a Promising Chat Board? [bouvsrus] by jbl777 Feb 20, 2008 (7:35 am)
Replying to: bouvsrus (Feb 19, 2008 11:36 pm) Thanks for trying to revive this thread. With so many more owners of the 450h more interested in other aspects of the car like leasing etc, I was very surprised that a potential health risk issue is not attracting much interest.   This is my dream car & I would love to own one soon. Your enjoyment of the 450h just confirms what I love about this car . Here in Australia, only about 1000 450h were sold so far. It is a small market here & no one seems to know or care about the EMF effects. A friend who works in the car industry has advised me to look elsewhere so I am torn between love & fear.   Let's hope more 450h owners will join this thread & share their experiences with this car.
#15 of 25 Re: Electromagnetic Field (EMF) Exposure Issues [rks6] by jhow Feb 20, 2008 (11:14 am)
Replying to: rks6 (Dec 23, 2007 12:39 pm) Thanks for your thoughtful and informative response way back on 12/20. Looking around online for any new information about the GS450h or other hybrids, I ran into a presentation posted on a site maintained by the “Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of BC”. This presentation was created and, I assume, delivered by Bryon Stremler who is Manager of Advanced Technology and Powertrain for Toyota, Canada. You can find the presentation here under "Past Events": http://www.apeg.bc.ca/services/divisions/med/index.html   Mr. Stremler’s talk was entitled “Hybrid Vehicles for Municipal Fleets.” In the linked slideshow (“The Hybrid World”), Mr. Stremler, on slide 23, presents six “Hybid Myths.” Myth #5: “Electromagnetic Fields in hybrids are harmful to human health.” Immediately below, Mr. Stremler refutes this “myth” in the sub-bullet, stating: “EMFs inside and outside of Toyota hybrids are at the same low levels as conventional gasoline vehicles. Therefore there are no additional health risks to drivers, passengers or by-standers.”   What? First, that doesn’t refute the “myth” that “Electromagnetic Fields in hybrids are harmful to human health.” In fact, it suggests that at elevated levels EMF in hybrids may be harmful. Second, and most disturbing, this statement, according to data that has been collected, this is simply not true. I understand what is at stake for Toyota, but statements like the one in this slideshow are misleading at best. If Mr. Stremler and Toyota have the independent research to indicate that this is the case, they should produce it and make it public.(It is possible, of course, that they have and I am not aware of it.)    If his statement that, “EMFs inside and outside of Toyota hybrids are at the same low levels as conventional gasoline vehicles," proves to be true, I would be relieved and happy to be wrong, but I have not been able to produce a EMF reading in any "conventional gasoline vehicle" even remotely similar to the levels found in the 450h. (The highest non-hybrid reading has been around 3.2mG.)   Thought you might find Toyota Canada's statements in the slideshow interesting. Replies to this message: jhow (Feb 21, 2008 1:24 pm)
#19 of 25 EMF in hybrids by andyxandies Feb 21, 2008 (6:55 am)
Please see this thread below - the article in the comment section at the end (not the somewhat useless piece in the beginning) was from a reputable medical journal. This is posted strictly as a public service (the author's permission was not explicitly sought, but many blogs post articles that are useful this way ...) I believe that as many people as possible should be informed of this.   http://www.hybridcars.com/safety/electromagnetic-fields-in-hybrids.html   RKS6, you had mentioned that you were going to ask Toyota again about their hybrids to Scandinavia being EMF-shielded. Can you please tell us if they responded to you or they are still stalling? I so would like to get a hybrid - but this vexing issue is keeping me from it.
#20 of 25 EMF in hybrids by andyxandies Feb 21, 2008 (7:17 am)
Here is the proper medline link for the article:   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17572456?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn- trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVLinkOut
#21 of 25 Re: Electromagnetic Field (EMF) Exposure Issues [jhow] by jhow Feb 21, 2008 (1:24 pm)
Replying to: jhow (Feb 20, 2008 11:14 am) rks6,   Yesterday a message appeared from you about a colleague looking for information for a magazine article. When I came back to the forum today that post and a subsequent related post seemed to have disappeared. What happened? Did you do you pull the posts down; was it the Forum moderator?   jhow
#22 of 25 EMF by rks6 Feb 21, 2008 (9:37 am)
jhow,   Edmunds pulled down the post. I don't see any mechanism on this site for corresponding directly with participants if they so choose. If there is a method I'm not aware of let me know.   I will re-phrase my information.   Jim Motavalli is currently researching EMF in hybrid vehicles. If you would like to share your experiences google search Jim Motavalli on your own.   Regards,
#23 of 25 Please read.. This seems like a definitive answer by mevander1 Jun 08, 2008 (4:14 am)
From another poster """As far as the electric motor, it is in front of the engine and under the hood. This is what's known as a Farraday shield. Why a car is the safest place in lightning is because it is steel and is a Farraday shield.  As far as the cables from the batteries under the rear seat to the electric motor, the cables are conducting current to and from the motor.. It is an electric circuit. The current is flowing from the positive battery terminal and returning to the negative terminal. That means that EMF induced by the positive is cancelled by the EMF induced by the negative currents. The EMF's are self cancelling Most measurements will measure the earth's magnetic field. which varies from 300 to 600 milli- Gauss. EMF's are not detectable by smell. The Plasmacluster filter has 3 levels of filters which filter successively smaller particles. It is called a micron filter. The last stage adds negative ions to counteract the accumulating positive ions. I looked in the fuses in the owners manual. There is not a specific fuse for the filter or it would be simple to disable  I look at positive ions as havining on OH ion Strong bases have positive ions  A negative ion could be viewed as having a H ion. Strong acids have Hydrogen ions If you look at the reaction between an OH and H you get HOH or H2O.  I find it difficult to explain the symptoms you are experiencing. They come and go in severity, so it is hard to pinpoint. I have not had my heater blow any air while off. I have it set on auto with my temp set at 68. My wife has her side set at 72. Nothing happens when heat is called for until the engine has warmed up enough for heat. So even when my heater is "on"" it may delay blowing any air.     The plastic components emit gases as they age. It may be that is what you are smelling as a metallic taste. I have had vehicles that looked like someone had smoked cigarettes in them as dirty as the inside windows got from plastic out- gassing. Clean your inside windows and look at the paper towels and see if they don't show up as some what dirty from the plastic out gases that collect on them """ Replies to this message: yssab (May 23, 2009 11:15 pm)

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