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Automotive News & Views How The 35 mpg Law By 2020 Will Affect The Cars We Will Drive
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Replying to: jesses1 (Dec 24, 2007 1:27 pm) I figure once enough suckers are forced to buy those vehicles, the demand for gas should drop, and along with that the price, and I'll be golden. Of course, then Big Brother will decide some new way to limit your choices, and give them more control over your life. As Ronald Reagan used to say about the words that stuck fear into his heart - "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you." 
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Replying to: jsylvester (Dec 24, 2007 2:29 pm) In the old Soviet union, the elites drove cars, everyone else rode donkey carts. We're getting snowed here. However, if driving more fuel efficient cars means fewer 19-yr-olds coming home from Iraq on aluminum legs, then go for it. |
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Dec 23, 2007 8:50 am) No matter what the rhetoric out of either side of the political spectrum there is really only one reason for CAFE. One single reason that the Conservative Republican Executive branch run by two oilmen, the liberal Democratic Legislative branch and even the auto industry itself are all in full agreeement that CAFE had to be undated. Conservation. That's it. There are no environmental concerns in this current issue except as ancillary benefits. This extention and upgradeing of CAFE is only about conservation of existing petroleum supplies in order to preserve our economic way of life and to keep us from being overly dependent on others to maintain this way of life. We today use 25% of the world's output of oil. By the decade of the 20's our population will grow from about 300 million to 400 million and the drivers on the road will grow from about 200 million to almost 300 million. At our current vehicle usage rates we will need an additional 6-8 mm bpd of oil just to keep all of us on the road. That additional supply is not there..at least not inexpensively. Geopolitically any money that we, the world's 2000 lb gorilla in term of petroleum-usage, spend ends up partly in the hands of others who would wish us harm. If petroleum-based fuel is not conserved now then it won't be available at that time in the future when we need 25% more than today. As a result we may very well have to go begging to those who would wish us to be bankrupt in order to buy additional supplies just to keep our economy running. If we cannot get the necessary supplies then somebody will have to walk or stay at home or use more mass transit or carpool. These may all be for the national good but given the distances and lack of infrastructure in most areas of NA they are not very useful for many. This upgrading of CAFE is not about eliminating our usage of petroleum-based fuels. Does one think that the two oilmen in the White House would be the ones whipping and driving this issue forward? It's only about spreading it out over a larger usage base. In the next 20 years our fuel needs will increase dramatically not go down. Renewables are our best hope for eliminating petroleum usage. |
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Replying to: walterquint (Dec 23, 2007 5:23 pm) In fact neither you nor I know for sure what data the NHTSA uses so there is no way to make a judgement except by extrapolation. Using extrapolation the 5M Civic and Sentra todaydo meet the 2020 standards and the 5M Accord is almost there.....and the new standards don't go fully into effect for 12 more years!!!. What you will likely see is that in 2020 all fuel will be $7-$10 per gallon. All small vehicles will have the latest IC technology and maybe some updated very inexpensive mild hybrid technology. Midsizers will all be with hybrids or diesels ( right now thePrius, Civic hybrid, Camry hybrid, Altima hybrid and Escape hybrid all exceed the 2020 fuel economy limits ). Large vehicles will either be diesel or hybrids - or both - or will run exclusively on biofuels. I can see a future ammendment to the CAFE standards that if a larger vehicle runs exclusively on biofuel it is exempt from any CAFE ruling. |
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Replying to: jsylvester (Dec 24, 2007 2:29 pm) This is false but don't allow lack of information to keep you from forming a misconceived opinion. The fact that you don't understand a subject doesn't necessarily make that subject bad. Research is a wonderful thing. It just takes time and effort...and some reading between the lines. HINT: Why is it that it's the White House that was driving this legislation forward?
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 25, 2007 7:28 am) Could it be that Bush is one of the few in DC that actually practice conservation in their lifestyle outside the Beltway? I agree with Sylvester on keeping your big vehicles. I do not plan to drive on the highways in a over priced econobox like the Civic or Prius. They are just not as safe as a big PU or SUV when driven as designed. I would buy a small car for all the trips to the grocery store etc. An EV with a top speed of 45 MPH would do just fine for those ventures away from home. My Sequoia with a V6 Diesel would be ideal. Unfortunately the government does not consider fuel economy in larger vehicles of any importance. |
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Replying to: dtownfb (Dec 23, 2007 5:42 pm) Pray tell! These claims are made all the time, please provide some evidence.
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They can mandate all they want, but the laws of physics veto those of Congress. If you think that we are going to drive around in golf carts (which is what it will take to meet these restrictions), you know little about Americans. We'll be like the Cubans: driving 30 to 40 year old cars and fixing them rather than going for this new technology. The engine rebuilders and transmission shops will be doing booming business for the next 50 years because of this. 
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Replying to: smithed (Dec 26, 2007 7:05 am) 
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 26, 2007 7:10 am) Yeah, this is not just cars, but SUVs and pickups, too. Businesses that need trucks are not going to like this.
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