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#69 of 538 Re: As you may have heard [bumpy] by stommps Dec 21, 2007 (9:41 am)
Replying to: bumpy (Dec 21, 2007 7:45 am) Isn't the Volt Serial, tc 3 cylinder -> Generator -> Battery -> Electric Engine. Replies to this message: bumpy (Dec 21, 2007 6:43 pm)
#70 of 538 Re: we do [gagrice] by nippononly Dec 21, 2007 (1:14 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Dec 21, 2007 8:16 am) My friend is a public transit commuter who is currently walking to the ferry terminal - approximately a mile through the cold streets at 5:30 AM. He doesn't particularly mind the walk but it can be a drag on wet days. The family vehicle is a minivan (they have only one), and the wife and kids need it during the day. He wouldn't mind having a city runabout like the Xebra for weekend errands, as well as the quick commute in the morning and evening on weekdays. The Xebra might just be the ticket for him.   My commute includes about 4 miles on the freeway, so it wouldn't be for me, then. Replies to this message: gagrice (Dec 21, 2007 2:16 pm)
#71 of 538 Re: we do [nippononly] by gagrice Dec 21, 2007 (2:16 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Dec 21, 2007 1:14 pm) He should look up the local dealer and test it out. Very basic but functional. If he is not going to have more than one passenger I would get the PU with solar panels on top. It would stay charged while he is at work.
#72 of 538 CAFE by ehaase Dec 21, 2007 (3:33 pm)
I expect to see more hybrids, hopefully more diesels, and lower displacement engines with turbocharging. I also think that both 6 and 8 cylinder engines will be rare in cars and exclusive to high performance and luxury cars. I hope that the number of truck based SUV's and extended cab pickups not used for business purposes will decline dramatically.
#73 of 538 Re: As you may have heard [stommps] by bumpy Dec 21, 2007 (6:43 pm)
Replying to: stommps (Dec 21, 2007 9:41 am) Yep, looks like they are doing it that way.
#74 of 538 King Harald at Hastings by dreyfus1 Dec 22, 2007 (11:55 am)
He was the one that ordered the tide to go out. Events will overtake the US Gov't and all its rules and regulations enacted in 2007/2008 will make King Harald look sane. The oil producing countries have pricing power now (Yes Now) by 2020 a vehicle getting only 35 mpg will not find a market. Window dressing will mollify the people for a few years but reality will eventually intrude. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Dec 22, 2007 1:45 pm)
#75 of 538 Re: King Harald at Hastings [dreyfus1] by kdhspyder Dec 22, 2007 (1:45 pm)
Replying to: dreyfus1 (Dec 22, 2007 11:55 am) I'd have to agree - to an extent. One of the strengths of humans is the ability to adapt and innovate. Innovation is one of our best national traits. I too think the oil producers and the Big Oil companies will be trying to milk us dry. But at some point enough is enough.   Already there is a groundswell of resistance from the public, even though we still pay and pay and pay ( but we have little choice). However there are enough iniatives out there in renewables that soon it may achieve a critical mass that begins to make real competition for the Oil Oligarchy. It may still take 15-25 years to decide on a national standard(s) for renewables but I think it will occur.   Oh, there is one other very basic human trait is currently 'in play'. GREED. Whoever can get the best and most reliable renewable to market will be able to make more money than he/she/they know how to spend. But to be realistic no Big Oil company is just going to stand by and allow all its customers to defect to some newer, better mousetrap. Whoever does provide the public with a better and reliable fuel from renewables will suddenly find a check from Mega Internation Oil, Inc on his desk with a stupid number of zero's in front of the decimal.   In the meanwhile we all better be ready to drive something more efficient if we want to maintain our economic strength or even our current lifestyle.
#77 of 538 Re: As you may have heard [qbrozen] by oldfarmer50 Dec 22, 2007 (3:42 pm)
Replying to: qbrozen (Dec 21, 2007 6:26 am) "...there is still all that pollution produced....while generating the electricity..."   Yes! Of course. Why is it that you and I seem to be the only people who realize this? There is no free lunch. Energy has to be produced usually by burning something. Either in your engine or in a power plant. Both pollute.   The only exception would be renewables like hydro. Too bad all the fish-rights groups are tearing down the power dams. Replies to this message: plzion (Dec 23, 2007 11:09 pm)
#78 of 538 Re: King Harald at Hastings (kdhspyder) by hpmctorque Dec 22, 2007 (4:18 pm)
"...GREED..."   You seem to imply that greed is the only human emotion that drives inventiveness. There's also creativity, curiosity, ambition, a desire to explore new frontiers, etc. I doubt that greed was the main motivator for Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Harvey Firestone, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, etc. While it may have been one factor in their careers, its not necessarily a negative, in the context of their great contributions. Similarly, I think the major oil companies, while far, far from perfect, have contributed mightily to the standard of living of millions. Replies to this message: gagrice (Dec 22, 2007 6:15 pm) kdhspyder (Dec 22, 2007 11:54 pm)

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