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Automotive News & Views How The 35 mpg Law By 2020 Will Affect The Cars We Will Drive
538 messages, Last post on Jul 31, 2008 at 6:28 AM
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it will be cheaper for oil companies to explore new areas underwater at the edge of the continental shelf than to just exploit the on-land leases they already have? I find that a little hard to believe. I think it likely that the reality is that both represent very expensive oil, which is no solution to the oil price problem, obviously.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 16, 2008 8:49 pm) |
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has announced they are dumping all their big engines in favor of smaller turbos, across the board, to be fully implemented by 2010: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080717/FREE/233692635/1528/- newsletter01 I'm still holding my breath waiting for some automaker, ANY automaker, to announce a major program of weight reduction, to help comply with the new standards...
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 17, 2008 11:20 am) I think we'll see significant car weight reduction about as soon as we see people weight reduction.
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 08, 2008 2:18 pm) Thus, the diesel today has to be of the "BluTek" (Urea injection) type for the USA market. So the question is: who's already has a Blu-Tek diesel? I know Mercedes does, and a few others. But I don't think GM has one. If GM doesn't, then their only options are "make or buy". "Make" - means doing the Blu-Tek type of development work in-house themselves, and not violate any existing patents or IP. This requires at least a couple of years of engine development, followed by a couple more years to figure out how to integrate those engine changes into a specific production automobile - - I think its safe to say 5-6 years absolute minimum until they get production product out to retail, which equals the 2014-2015 Model Year as their first opportunity for relief through this strategy. "Buy" - means that for whatever reason -- ie, GM is bleeding and might not survive to 2014 -- then they have to slash the schedule by buying (licensing) someone else's Intellectual Property (IP). This cuts off the 2-3 year's worth of the engine's half of the development timeline and if they were dead serious, could have a product out by 2011-2012. Of course, there's also the option of: "Cheat" - get Congress to change the rules. Relaxing the diesel pollution standards would let them bring over their current (Euro) motors immediately. However, due to lack of fleet commonality, there still would be some engineering integration work to be done, so while they could conceivably get a few models by 2010, the 2011-2012 timeframe is more likely. What's "in it for GM" is that they won't have to be licensing someone else's technology - - but the problem for them is that Europe and possibly also Japan already have this engineering work done and can beat GM to market. -hh |
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 17, 2008 11:30 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 18, 2008 9:41 am) I could see all smaller engined cars reach a turbo design, and perhaps the upcoming hybrid S-class will work its way down the line, too. But the current performance engines aren't suddenly going away by 2010, too much invested in the 6.2 unit especially. The article is somewhat misleading. |
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| If we get real lucky, we will use natural gas in place of some gasoline, as we move on to a future fuel such as hydrogen. Our natural gas resources are very high, and using them will not compete with food as does corn-based ethanol, although we use natural gas for heating, etc. | |
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 16, 2008 8:49 pm) You are exactly right. The undrilled onshore leases held by oil companies large and small are being explored as fast as the rigs allow, but the basic truth is that the large, easily-produced onshore oil accumulation in the US were found years, well decades, ago. High oil prices allow exploring for high-cost oil, but these aren't the wells that'll produce at high rates. edit-I almost forgot - if an oil company actually 'sits on' a lease, they can (and are) sued by the property owner for 'failure to develop', so it's really a myth that there are all these millions of acres of productive land that the oil companies just don't want to drill. Simply untrue. |
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| In other words, has the rapid sales switch to higher-mpg vehicles made the government mandate unnecessary? Is there any data on what the current weighted-average mpg is of the cars being bought today? | |
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