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Automotive News & Views How The 35 mpg Law By 2020 Will Affect The Cars We Will Drive
538 messages, Last post on Jul 31, 2008 at 6:28 AM
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 19, 2007 7:49 pm) How can you expect automakers to build cars for a reasonable price if every state in the Union comes up with something they want on them? I could sure get behind a proposal to split California across the middle. If CARB wants to do something about the smog coming into the LA basin, they need to block any ship running on dirty diesel far out to sea. CARB would rather block someone that is trying to use less fuel by owning a diesel car. Two big cheers for the EPA!!!!!
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 19, 2007 9:08 pm) 1. This was not a CARB "edict". This was a proposition put to popular vote on the November ballot three years ago. 2. This would not have been an attempt to "control the universe", but rather merely what goes on inside California borders. The fact that 16 other states want to follow our example is not our responsibility. 3. 17 states representing more than half of all vehicle sales every year all agreeing to do the SAME thing is hardly "every state...coming up with something they want..." 4. Jerry Brown will be using money from California taxpayers to sue the feds in their name, as those taxpayers are the ones that passed the bill. 5. This was not a bill related IN ANY WAY to smog in the air. 6. While this has nothing to do with what happened today, I will add that several car companies have diesel powertrains ready to go in the next 3-15 months that meet California CARB-imposed standards. You are really crying over something that doesn't exist there. Now ask yourself: even if you voted against this bill, do you really want the federal government to have the ability to negate California popular legislation next time we pass something you DO vote for? The power IS reserved to the states in federal law, you know. Edit: after reading the article in the link steve provided, I feel a little better. Not only does it seem that a lawsuit has strong odds of being decided in California's favor, but fairly powerful, monied folks like the NRDC are getting involved on California's side, which could help quite a bit. |
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Replying to: 1stpik (Dec 19, 2007 2:57 pm) |
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Yeah, I'm 11 years old. I'm just real smart for my age. So, are you in your 80s, or what? great grandfather born c. 1860 (before the Civil War) grandfather born c. 1885 father born c. 1905 you born c. 1925
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Replying to: 1stpik (Dec 20, 2007 7:57 am) |
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Smaller, safer, and more efficient gas cars. Plethora of diesel and gasoline/electric and diesel/electric sedans by multiple manufacturers, all getting 70 MPG highway. |
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"so you don't have to be that old to have a great grandfather born during the Civil war." Sure, you don't HAVE to be, but you probably are. Generations historically run 20 years in this country. 15 years in some cities these days, but that's another discussion. If your g.g.f. was born 150 years ago, the math ain't hard to do. It's just a damn shame that your grandparents didn't demand electric cars 100 years ago, because we'd ALL be better off today if they did. .
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Replying to: 1stpik (Dec 20, 2007 7:57 am)  1850's in Ireland 1880 in America 1924 1949 me 1982 my first 2007 my first g c |
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Replying to: 1stpik (Dec 20, 2007 9:43 am)
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