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Automotive News & Views How The 35 mpg Law By 2020 Will Affect The Cars We Will Drive
538 messages, Last post on Jul 31, 2008 at 6:28 AM
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 13, 2008 9:09 am) Geez, how freakin' big are the light trucks of 2020 going to be?! They're ALREADY a nuisance on the roads at their current size!
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Replying to: nippononly (May 13, 2008 12:57 pm) Yes they could make a huge truck but who'd buy it? It looks like a loophold that the Big 3-1/2 had written in to the regs in the hope that at sometime next decade fuel drops back to $.90/gallon. Not likely I think. |
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the California rules, much stricter than the new CAFE regs, will go ahead after all. At least, according to this article: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080513/AUTO01/805130358 not only are the automakers meeting with the CA governor to hammer out the details, but also all three presidential candidates support California on this, and the Congress is expected to put together legislation to allow it to happen as well... So forget 35 mpg, look forward to 43 mpg by 2015, and after that who knows! With gas at $8/gallon by then, I am sure folks will appreciate much more efficient choices than the pathetic ones they have today... |
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Dec 15, 2007 9:05 pm) Oh contraire. Many small and midsize diesels acheive that in mixed driving. And on the highway is even better. The BMW 1 series offers two different small diesels and get great mileage city and highway. The BMW 118d get around 60 miles per gallon while the 120d gets around 55 miles per gallon from most reviews and real world driving I've read. We rented on in Germany and even at 100+mph for several hours, it sipped gas (over 40mpg). We need cars like this in the US! The only engines offered in the 1 Series here are the 3.0 liter inline-6 gas engines. One naturally aspirated and one with twin turbos. From some literature on the diesels: "Diesel Engines BMW 120d: Third generation common-rail diesel engine with aluminum crankcase achieves zero to 62mph in 7.5 seconds (7.6 seconds for five-door) before going on to a top speed of 142mph. Output is 177hp (up 14hp) while peak torque is 350Nm (up 10Nm). Combined fuel consumption is 57.6mpg (improves by 16 per cent) and CO2 emissions are 129g/km (down 15.1 per cent). BMW 118d: Third generation common-rail diesel engine with aluminum crankcase achieves zero to 62mph in 8.9 seconds (9.0 seconds for five door) before going on to a top speed of 130mph. Output is 143hp (up 21 hp) while peak torque is 300Nm (up 20Nm). Combined fuel consumption is 60.1mpg (improves by 19 per cent) and CO2 emissions are 123g/km (down 18 per cent). "
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Replying to: chadx (May 21, 2008 6:52 am) That's one of the MANY reasons we cannot get those cars here. Another is that typically, high mileage but "econo-box" type cars have sold poorly here.
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Replying to: larsb (May 21, 2008 7:15 am) Incorrect. The BMW 1 series easily passed crash tests. They are currently selling the gas powered version here. The diesel equipped cars do not have structural differences. Only engine, tranny, etc.. Many of the other manufacturer's diesels would pass US crash tests. Do you think Europe doesn't have safety standards? You are correct that the main reason we are not seeing small diesels here is simply because demand has not been there in the past. US consumers won't buy them. But that is changing. Also, the more recent emissions standards have thrown a new wrench in the works, but many manufactures can now pass those requirements.
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Replying to: chadx (May 21, 2008 7:40 am) 1 series-118d - 120d- 123d City-------44mpg, 39mpg, 36mpg Hwy-------59mpg, 57mpg, 53mpg Combo --- 52mpg, 49mpg, 45mpg
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Replying to: chadx (May 21, 2008 7:40 am) If it were easy and cheap, you would see Euro-Spec Honda Accord diesel cars all over the USA because that is an awesome car which has set numerous world records. |
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Replying to: chadx (May 21, 2008 7:46 am) 
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Between the high gasoline prices, principally, the promise of lighter, longer lasting lithium ion batteries, and the law that will begin to take effect in 2011, there seems to be renewed interest in manufacturing pure battery powered cars. Until recently, it seemed as though battery powered cars didn't have much of a future, but Nissan, for one, and Mitsubishi, have important plans for battery powered cars. Of the three factors listed, the law is probably the least important one for introducing battery powered cars in large numbers. It's premature to speculate on whether pure battery powered vehicles will be as popular as hybrids in several years, but if they are it will have a major impact on the driving experience and the industry. Small countries, such as Israel and Denmark, have big plans for battery powered electric cars, where there are plans to build networks of battery swapping stations. Instead of pulling into a station for a gasoline or diesel fuel fill up, the driver will pay for a quick battery pack exchange, when the battery/batteries needed recharging. The removed battery/ies would then be recharged for another motorist. You'd essentially pay for a battery charge, without having to wait for the recharging. It'll be interesting to see how this will play out. From what I've read, the economics of this plan are favorable, compared to high priced oil.
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