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Automotive News & Views How The 35 mpg Law By 2020 Will Affect The Cars We Will Drive
538 messages, Last post on Jul 31, 2008 at 6:28 AM
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 26, 2007 9:17 am) Not really. It means you pay less taxes on that money. It still behooves a business to get the best deal possible on vehicles. |
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Replying to: smithed (Dec 26, 2007 7:05 am) The problem with this is if you do keep your 80s or 90s vintage large vehicles which presumably will be getting 16-20 mpg and fuel costs $7-$10 per gallon how satisfied will you paying $150 - $200 on each fill up when others are paying half that amount, driving further with the same power that you have. |
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 26, 2007 9:17 am)
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Replying to: smithed (Dec 26, 2007 7:24 am) Businesses will love these new improvements. Think man. If a business owner uses a truck now that gets 18 mpg, drives 20000-30000 mi/yr now and costs $4500 per year in fuel think what his fuel bill will be if diesel or gas is $9 / gallon. It's will be $13500 annually. Now in 2020 if that same sized truck, with improvements, 'only' gets 25 mpg and fuel is $9 /gallon then the cost to drive the same 27000 miles is less than $10,000. But this is not the main issue. The main issue is that if we don't stretch out the fuel supplies so that each vehicle uses less then it doesn't matter what vehicle the business uses or how efficient it is or isn't. If there is no fuel then that vehicle will just sit and the business owner can't use it. Is this what you'd like to see? Workers show up on the job and have to sit around because the vehicles and machines have no fuel? |
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Replying to: tpe (Dec 26, 2007 9:39 am) For those demanding full-sized vehicles there's two likely scenarios that I can imagine. Some will still be made but they will be small numbers because the public just doesn't want to pay $200 to fill them up. Or these will be mandated to run exclusively on some form of locally produced biofuels, making them exempt from CAFE alltogether.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 26, 2007 9:47 am) I'm not sure you could make a vehicle that would only be able to run on a biofuel. If you couldn't then it wouldn't make much sense to give them any kind of CAFE break because it would be just like this E85 flex fuel vehicles boondoggle. The only way most of these see any ethanol in their tanks is if its the oxygenation agent. In addition to that I think one needs to consider how much oil is involved in producing a gallon of biofuel. If producing 2 gallons of biofuel requires 1 gallon of petroleum then I might be inclined to give this type of vehicle 2x it's mileage rating for CAFE purposes. Again that would require it only being capable of running on biofuel, which I question whether or not that is possible.
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Replying to: tpe (Dec 26, 2007 10:04 am) As to ethanol I don't think corn ethanol is the most efficient fuel for the future but for now it's the easiest. Other sources that generate a greater output of BTUs per BTU input hopefully are the 'ethanol of the future'. Butanol is another option with more energy density. But my best hope is diesel from algae or similar process. Diesel engines are naturals for heavy vehicles like trucks. If being powered exclusively by biodiesel fuel becomes efficient then I can see an exemption be offered for these vehicles. |
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Replying to: texases (Dec 25, 2007 7:12 pm) This alone won't get us to 35 mpg but it will give us a significant boost toward the goal. More importantly, it will truly reduce the amount of foreign oil we use immediately. With this new fuel standards, hopefully you'll hear more about it in 2008. If not, don't be surprised if it ends up somewhere overseas and we end up buying it at a significant markup.
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Replying to: dtownfb (Dec 26, 2007 7:52 pm)  
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Replying to: dtownfb (Dec 26, 2007 7:52 pm) That would be logical if the only potential investors were oil companies. But maybe the unbiased experts that other investors have had look at this, aren't as positive as you? There are all sorts of financial investors that would invest if the science is sound. There can't really be any oil company conspiracy, when the funds could be readily available from investment bankers in Hong Kong or Tokyo, or ...
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