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Automotive News & Views How The 35 mpg Law By 2020 Will Affect The Cars We Will Drive
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They can mandate all they want, but the laws of physics veto those of Congress. If you think that we are going to drive around in golf carts (which is what it will take to meet these restrictions), you know little about Americans. We'll be like the Cubans: driving 30 to 40 year old cars and fixing them rather than going for this new technology. The engine rebuilders and transmission shops will be doing booming business for the next 50 years because of this. 
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Replying to: smithed (Dec 26, 2007 7:05 am) 
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 26, 2007 7:10 am) Yeah, this is not just cars, but SUVs and pickups, too. Businesses that need trucks are not going to like this.
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Replying to: smithed (Dec 26, 2007 7:24 am) Plus, as I understand it, the bigger they make the truck, the less fuel economy it has to have. So just like they did before to get around CAFE in the 90s (trucks over 8500 pounds GVWR were exempt from regulations), I assume they will just giant-size the new trucks after 2010.
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Replying to: dtownfb (Dec 23, 2007 5:42 pm) That's a totally false statement. There is a fixed amount of energy (hydrocarbon molecules) in a barrel of oil. Nothing is going to change that. The refineries have become extremely efficient at extracting the maximum amount possible for useable/saleable products. In fact out of a 42 gallon barrel of oil the result is around 46 gallons of different hydrocarbon products, eg butane, propane, petrochemicals, gasoline, distillates. lubricants, asphalt, etc.. Not sure how that works but it's true. It is not in the refineries best financial interest to waste any portion of a barrel of oil. Certainly not 40%. |
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 26, 2007 9:17 am) Not really. It means you pay less taxes on that money. It still behooves a business to get the best deal possible on vehicles. |
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Replying to: smithed (Dec 26, 2007 7:05 am) The problem with this is if you do keep your 80s or 90s vintage large vehicles which presumably will be getting 16-20 mpg and fuel costs $7-$10 per gallon how satisfied will you paying $150 - $200 on each fill up when others are paying half that amount, driving further with the same power that you have. |
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 26, 2007 9:17 am)
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Replying to: smithed (Dec 26, 2007 7:24 am) Businesses will love these new improvements. Think man. If a business owner uses a truck now that gets 18 mpg, drives 20000-30000 mi/yr now and costs $4500 per year in fuel think what his fuel bill will be if diesel or gas is $9 / gallon. It's will be $13500 annually. Now in 2020 if that same sized truck, with improvements, 'only' gets 25 mpg and fuel is $9 /gallon then the cost to drive the same 27000 miles is less than $10,000. But this is not the main issue. The main issue is that if we don't stretch out the fuel supplies so that each vehicle uses less then it doesn't matter what vehicle the business uses or how efficient it is or isn't. If there is no fuel then that vehicle will just sit and the business owner can't use it. Is this what you'd like to see? Workers show up on the job and have to sit around because the vehicles and machines have no fuel? |
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Replying to: tpe (Dec 26, 2007 9:39 am) For those demanding full-sized vehicles there's two likely scenarios that I can imagine. Some will still be made but they will be small numbers because the public just doesn't want to pay $200 to fill them up. Or these will be mandated to run exclusively on some form of locally produced biofuels, making them exempt from CAFE alltogether.
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