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Automotive News & Views How The 35 mpg Law By 2020 Will Affect The Cars We Will Drive
538 messages, Last post on Jul 31, 2008 at 6:28 AM
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Replying to: walterquint (Dec 23, 2007 5:23 pm) In fact neither you nor I know for sure what data the NHTSA uses so there is no way to make a judgement except by extrapolation. Using extrapolation the 5M Civic and Sentra todaydo meet the 2020 standards and the 5M Accord is almost there.....and the new standards don't go fully into effect for 12 more years!!!. What you will likely see is that in 2020 all fuel will be $7-$10 per gallon. All small vehicles will have the latest IC technology and maybe some updated very inexpensive mild hybrid technology. Midsizers will all be with hybrids or diesels ( right now thePrius, Civic hybrid, Camry hybrid, Altima hybrid and Escape hybrid all exceed the 2020 fuel economy limits ). Large vehicles will either be diesel or hybrids - or both - or will run exclusively on biofuels. I can see a future ammendment to the CAFE standards that if a larger vehicle runs exclusively on biofuel it is exempt from any CAFE ruling. |
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Replying to: jsylvester (Dec 24, 2007 2:29 pm) This is false but don't allow lack of information to keep you from forming a misconceived opinion. The fact that you don't understand a subject doesn't necessarily make that subject bad. Research is a wonderful thing. It just takes time and effort...and some reading between the lines. HINT: Why is it that it's the White House that was driving this legislation forward?
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 25, 2007 7:28 am) Could it be that Bush is one of the few in DC that actually practice conservation in their lifestyle outside the Beltway? I agree with Sylvester on keeping your big vehicles. I do not plan to drive on the highways in a over priced econobox like the Civic or Prius. They are just not as safe as a big PU or SUV when driven as designed. I would buy a small car for all the trips to the grocery store etc. An EV with a top speed of 45 MPH would do just fine for those ventures away from home. My Sequoia with a V6 Diesel would be ideal. Unfortunately the government does not consider fuel economy in larger vehicles of any importance. |
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Replying to: dtownfb (Dec 23, 2007 5:42 pm) Pray tell! These claims are made all the time, please provide some evidence.
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They can mandate all they want, but the laws of physics veto those of Congress. If you think that we are going to drive around in golf carts (which is what it will take to meet these restrictions), you know little about Americans. We'll be like the Cubans: driving 30 to 40 year old cars and fixing them rather than going for this new technology. The engine rebuilders and transmission shops will be doing booming business for the next 50 years because of this. 
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Replying to: smithed (Dec 26, 2007 7:05 am) 
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 26, 2007 7:10 am) Yeah, this is not just cars, but SUVs and pickups, too. Businesses that need trucks are not going to like this.
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Replying to: smithed (Dec 26, 2007 7:24 am) Plus, as I understand it, the bigger they make the truck, the less fuel economy it has to have. So just like they did before to get around CAFE in the 90s (trucks over 8500 pounds GVWR were exempt from regulations), I assume they will just giant-size the new trucks after 2010.
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Replying to: dtownfb (Dec 23, 2007 5:42 pm) That's a totally false statement. There is a fixed amount of energy (hydrocarbon molecules) in a barrel of oil. Nothing is going to change that. The refineries have become extremely efficient at extracting the maximum amount possible for useable/saleable products. In fact out of a 42 gallon barrel of oil the result is around 46 gallons of different hydrocarbon products, eg butane, propane, petrochemicals, gasoline, distillates. lubricants, asphalt, etc.. Not sure how that works but it's true. It is not in the refineries best financial interest to waste any portion of a barrel of oil. Certainly not 40%. |
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 26, 2007 9:17 am) Not really. It means you pay less taxes on that money. It still behooves a business to get the best deal possible on vehicles. |
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