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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 29, 2008 1:59 pm) That is true, though its essentially deja vu of what they used to do. With the R32 development team, Nissan bought a Porsche 959 and paraded around the Nurburgring. |
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The NISMO GT-R, Nissan's crown jewel - they can't afford to take it to the 'Ring? Based on all 'Ring press releases in the past for the GT-R, the "budgetary constraints" reason seems disingenuous at best. I guess Nissan won't be able to afford to take the stock GT-R back out to prove Porsche wrong either.
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Replying to: lemmer (Nov 11, 2008 8:26 am) They already have a GT-R and a V-spec at the 'Ring. The NISMO would have to be carted around the world. Makes very little sense when the V-spec is making its debut this month. Plus, the V-spec is (according to Mr. GT-R) 5-10% better than the NISMO. The NISMO's 3 package levels will all just fall somewhere below the V-spec time.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Nov 11, 2008 8:32 pm) NISMO package doesn't seem to make sense if it costs more than the V Spec and offers less performance.
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Replying to: lemmer (Nov 12, 2008 7:01 am) ROFL!! Lemmer, you slay me. Anyone noticed how Edmunds' has an absolute lovefest with all things GT-R? They must be getting some good traffic because of it.
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Nov 12, 2008 8:02 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Nov 12, 2008 7:01 am) NISMO package doesn't seem to make sense if it costs more than the V Spec and offers less performance. Actually I'm not going to argue that the NISMO packages are rediculously overpriced. |
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Replying to: lemmer (Nov 12, 2008 12:39 pm) But now that both the GT-R and 911 are almost completely sold out of 2009 models and updating for 2010, I thought it would be nice to recap what happened with this competition to now. We spent a lot of time talking about speed. There seemed to be some confusion between speed and racing heritage of modified racecars. A statistically irrelevant point, but whatever. So what did the real statistics show? Well the GT-R posted faster best lap times on the following dry tracks: Nordschleife Tsukuba Hockenheim Short Vairano Handling Course Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (2004 - 06/2008) Sugo Laguna Seca Virginia International Raceway Buttonwillow Configuration Autozeitung test track Contidrom Rockingham Twin Ring Motegi (Conf. 2) Inta Silverstone Autocar Dry Handling Track For a total of 16. And yes, even the Nurburgring is up there, because Sport Auto finally got a dry lap for both cars there. Results? Same as everywhere else. Sport Auto, HvS as same impartial driver: GT-R: 7:38 997 TT: 7:54 The Turbo did manage to win a couple of wet laps: SportAuto wet handling test Autocar Wet Handling Track For a total of 2. That is probably due to the fact that the Pilot Sport is a much better wet tire than the Potenza. When the GT-R used the Dunlop all-season on Hockenheim, it won there in the wet as well. Again, all factory option tires. So at least we know now what each of these cars' strengths and weaknesses are/were. At least the paper magazines do the punch and run - screaming headlines declaring the latest flavor of the month the best car on earth, but then they calm down and start noticing chinks in the armor next time they do a real road test or comparison. So it goes with the GT-R. I'm still wondering when these 'chinks in the armor' are going to start being found? Certainly not in 2009. With several different cars being used on both sides, both customer and company test vehicles, final score was 16-and-0 dry and 1-and-2 wet. Game; set; match: Nissan. But of course, the GT-R was 3 years newer. Seemed pretty obvious that in 3 years a large Japanese company could both benchmark and beat any competitor, including Porsche. Now as for the 997.2 Turbo with 500hp, that's an entirely different story. We'll have to wait and see what happens there. But that should be an entirely different thread.
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