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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: lemmer (Oct 29, 2008 7:02 am) So no clear discernable point in this GT-R versus 911 Turbo thread except Ferrari drivers don't like it. Any on-topic materials to discuss or are we done here?
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 29, 2008 7:16 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Oct 29, 2008 7:54 am) 'Shallow', however has several angles. Why is it less 'shallow' to pick a car for any of the following reasons? Badge: "Other people will know I have money to spend. I want the attention". I think this trumps any other form of shallow, but I'll continue anyway. Racing Heritage - "Some guy in a car that isn't anything like mine once did well in a race I wasn't a part of." How is this any better than buying the actual fast car. I don't see how that 1% of 1% of 1% of drivers argument supports heritage any better. If you buy a Ferrari California just because Ferrari won F1, I think thats silly. If its comfort you're after, thats understandable. If its fit and finish, also understandable. If its dealer service based on past experience, also understandable. Or maybe you test-drove both and like one over the other? If you like one car and don't care what others think, buy it. But I can't figure how buying a Porsche product is less shallow simply because its not a Nissan. I think that defines 'shallow.' I've always thought branding was stupid, and I haven't heard a good argument for it yet. Can you explain it any better? |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 28, 2008 3:07 pm) The "which is faster" is a meaningless debate for 99.9995% of the drivers out there. They are both very "fast" when driven by professional drivers, and even among them, there is debate as to which is faster. You have trouble understand "brand" image or value? I have trouble with a guy (or gal) who I could beat around a track blindfolded arguing which car is faster based upon something they could never personally replicate in a million years. So unless you get more enjoyment out of reading than actually driving, there is no reason to fret over a second or two either way at Nurburgring. On the value and "competing for wallets" front, as others have pointed out, there is a lot of subjectivity that goes into that. On paper, the $300k 612 doesn't look as impressive as a $80k GTR, but Ferrari has a 3+ year waiting list for every model they make and , with the exception of the GTR, Nissan sells nearly everything else they produce at invoice or below. Personally, given the fit and finish, hoaky game boyish interior and general aesthetics, I don't see the GTR being purchased on the basis that, in addition to being fast, its an attractive car. So I also don't see it holding it's value well down the road. But perhaps more relevant than either of those items is how the car drives. I conceded it is damn fast when pushed. But it is also damn heavy. It feels like a GT around town or on suburban roads. In those circumstances, it should be compared to a 650i/M6 or SL Mercedes. Not a 911, 430. Read that as not as rewarding or fun. I think others have pointed this out, but I'm reinforcing it having now driven one myself. Does anybody have any FIRST HAND esperience to the contrary?
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Replying to: redsoxgirl (Oct 29, 2008 8:53 am) I accept your challenge. Or do you think fistfights solve arguments better? How about dance-offs? Smack-talk is childish. "I can kick your ass, therefore I'm right". That makes your whole argument superbly brilliant, I must say. However, who exactly are these professional drivers debating this anymore? If its the GT2, granted. But 0, yes 0 times has the Turbo come close to the GT-R. Its not even a debate. You still make absolutely no sense on the competing for wallets thinger there. Or the 'holding value'. Perhaps you don't know how this works: aside from the Enzo, any new Ferrari is going to lose half its value in 5 years. You'll lose more than the purchase price of a GT-R practically overnight. You say strange things. Once again, you're entitled to your opinion on how much fun the car is. On everything else?.... yikes.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 29, 2008 9:18 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Oct 29, 2008 9:42 am) This guy banks on the fact that all cliches prove true. Do we really want to continue with the stereotyping of car buyers? Seriously? You buy that bullcrap? You're just continuing the flame war we got away from months ago: All GT-R buyers are ____________. All Porsche owners are ___________. All Corvette owners are _____________. In every case, there are not only exceptions, the stereotype turns out to be a minority. Don't want to be stereotyped? Don't quote stereotypes.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 29, 2008 9:57 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Oct 29, 2008 10:18 am) It was almost a year later that I learned it was from Mystery Science Theatre 3000. Laughed my ass off. I seriously thought my friends were really clever, and there I was presenting it as if it were something creative. Sadly, with my career I don't get to spend the 3 hours a day at the gym anymore.  I've lost about 20 of those lbs to the office chair. In another 5 years I'll probably have to change it to TinyMcWeeSmall. A bit embarrasing, but since I laugh every time I see the name, I still use it online. Apparently it makes other people uncomfortable though.  What's a Lemmer?
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