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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 24, 2008 8:52 am) http://www.need4speed.ws/video-390.html Great video. Here is another. http://www.carzi.com/2008/10/20/cobb-nissan-gt-r-vs-techart-porsche-video/ The GTR's AWD setup is so much more advanced than the 911T. |
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Replying to: lemmer (Oct 24, 2008 10:20 am) The GTR will win any race with the 911 on any track except for a quater mile race. The GTR is faster from 0-60 thats due to the AWD set up, but after 120 MPH things start to change. |
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Infiniti to take on Porsche’s Panamera with 4-door GT-R The on and off again rumors of a four-door Nissan GT-R are still out there. Just earlier this year we saw a photo rendering depicting what a four-door GT-R would look like with an Infiniti badge. Nonetheless, Carlos Ghosn has repeatedly denied a GT-R based sedan for Infiniti. Well, here is some inside information or rumors, or whatever you want to call it. According to AutoExpress, sources in Japan tell them that Nissan is working on a supercar that will have four-doors and a Infiniti badge. The car, which will be a rival to the Porsche Panamera and an answer to the BMW M5, will use the four-wheel-drive chassis and twin-clutch gearbox of the GT-R coupe. Rather than focusing on performance, the car will emphasis comfort and luxury with a longer wheelbase. And instead of the 3.8L V6 twin-turbo from the GT-R we’ll see a 5.0L V8 from the Infiniti FX50 SUV making some 420-hp. 0 to 60 mph is expected in under 5 seconds with a top speed of 170 mph. The Infiniti sedan is expected to arrive in 2011 but we’ll believe it when we see it http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/10/24/infiniti-to-take-on-porsches-panamera-with-- 4-door-gt-r/ |
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...all of this "which is faster, who's lying, who's not" is a nice exercise in doesn't really matter. I'm back from visiting my brother this past weekend and we both had the opportunity to drive a fully broken in "stock" GT-R at the track he has privaledges at. The car is fast. Very fast even. But the difference in how the car drove the 15 miles to and from the track, and even the subjective "feel" of the car around the tarack at 85% or less, along with other factors, meant that I wouldn't pay $50k for one - any sooner than I would have paid $50k for a Corvette ZR1 or Viper. Short of my own brother, I'm not sure I know of anyone that, regardless of the academic debate, could drive either a GTR, 911TT or GT2 at their respective limits and live to tell about it. And, for the record, that includes me - in spite of several high performance driving courses and several track day competition wins to my credit. So, unless you fall into that top 1% of the top 1% of the top 1% of drivers, you would be wasting your money to buy one car over the other on the basis of a couple of seconds at Nurburgring. As we were heading back home, we got behind a Ferrari 612 for several miles of winding roads. $300k. Slower on a track than either a GTR or GT2/3. Yet, chances are at least 50/50 that 10 Ferraris in your garage woould be worth more than all of Nissan Corporation will be worth in 5-10 years if they don't merge or partner with another company. The GTR is to Ferrari/Porsche today what the Pontiac GTO was to Ferrari/Porsche 40 years ago. That's not being critical - the GT-R was damn impressive to drive. But it's not competition for 99% of the wallets out there.
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Replying to: redsoxgirl (Oct 27, 2008 5:44 am) Renault-Nissan is the world's 4th largest automaker. The partnership is long-established, and I'm not sure what you were basing the company's worth on. And in 5-10 years any 10 new Ferrari's will have depreciated by over a million dollars net. That's just the nature of car buying. Nissan stock is likely a bit more sound investment, I'm afraid. What exactly was the Pontiac GTO to Porsche and Ferrari 40 years ago? I don't get the analogy. Which 99% of wallets are we talking about? I'm sure that for every Ferrari 612 sold, there are 99 Corvettes hitting the road. And not one for less than $50K. Wouldn't that mean the 612 is not competition for 99% of the wallets out there? No offense, but if you have a point, I don't think it was made clear.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 28, 2008 3:07 pm) |
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Replying to: lemmer (Oct 29, 2008 7:02 am) So no clear discernable point in this GT-R versus 911 Turbo thread except Ferrari drivers don't like it. Any on-topic materials to discuss or are we done here?
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 29, 2008 7:16 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Oct 29, 2008 7:54 am) 'Shallow', however has several angles. Why is it less 'shallow' to pick a car for any of the following reasons? Badge: "Other people will know I have money to spend. I want the attention". I think this trumps any other form of shallow, but I'll continue anyway. Racing Heritage - "Some guy in a car that isn't anything like mine once did well in a race I wasn't a part of." How is this any better than buying the actual fast car. I don't see how that 1% of 1% of 1% of drivers argument supports heritage any better. If you buy a Ferrari California just because Ferrari won F1, I think thats silly. If its comfort you're after, thats understandable. If its fit and finish, also understandable. If its dealer service based on past experience, also understandable. Or maybe you test-drove both and like one over the other? If you like one car and don't care what others think, buy it. But I can't figure how buying a Porsche product is less shallow simply because its not a Nissan. I think that defines 'shallow.' I've always thought branding was stupid, and I haven't heard a good argument for it yet. Can you explain it any better? |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 28, 2008 3:07 pm) The "which is faster" is a meaningless debate for 99.9995% of the drivers out there. They are both very "fast" when driven by professional drivers, and even among them, there is debate as to which is faster. You have trouble understand "brand" image or value? I have trouble with a guy (or gal) who I could beat around a track blindfolded arguing which car is faster based upon something they could never personally replicate in a million years. So unless you get more enjoyment out of reading than actually driving, there is no reason to fret over a second or two either way at Nurburgring. On the value and "competing for wallets" front, as others have pointed out, there is a lot of subjectivity that goes into that. On paper, the $300k 612 doesn't look as impressive as a $80k GTR, but Ferrari has a 3+ year waiting list for every model they make and , with the exception of the GTR, Nissan sells nearly everything else they produce at invoice or below. Personally, given the fit and finish, hoaky game boyish interior and general aesthetics, I don't see the GTR being purchased on the basis that, in addition to being fast, its an attractive car. So I also don't see it holding it's value well down the road. But perhaps more relevant than either of those items is how the car drives. I conceded it is damn fast when pushed. But it is also damn heavy. It feels like a GT around town or on suburban roads. In those circumstances, it should be compared to a 650i/M6 or SL Mercedes. Not a 911, 430. Read that as not as rewarding or fun. I think others have pointed this out, but I'm reinforcing it having now driven one myself. Does anybody have any FIRST HAND esperience to the contrary?
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