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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Porsche PDK issue. Unresolved. Owner selling car. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=585548&i=0 Covered under warranty, but they couldn't fix the problem. Its almost as if... Porsche's special pattents don't always work out the first time. Teething issues, it happens. Google 'Porsche Rear Main Seal Issues' or check pisonheads.com. The 996 had a plethora of complaints. Those complaining about warranty issues from launching get no sympathy from the rest of the GT-R owners. After reading his/their comments they believe "it was a case of overzealous use by 2 people." This thread explains by the real GT-R owners, as habitat points out are more authoritative than us speculators. http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25624 Whether Porsche or Nissan, there are reports of dual-clutch transmissions being finicky. If you have a  , they'll be covered under warranty. If you launch the Nissan repeatedly while the transmission is hot, they won't cover damage under warranty. These rules are spelled out to owners. However, the GT-R is a similar weight to the M3, and costs about the same. So Nissan should really consider having a warranty as robust as with BMW's DCG. If Porsche is so unimpressed with the GT-R, then why are they in such a hurry to rush the PDK onto the GT3? (if they ever get the transmission noises to quit). Will the PDK save seconds/lap, eventually catching and perhaps passing the GT-R in terms of performance in GT2 and/or GT3 and/or Turbo? Yeah, probably. If history has shown us anything, benchmarking works. But what none of us expected was for Porsche to take this car so seriously. I guess the Nissan has already had its desired effect. There really aren't that many differences in the design philosophy and history. This battle has gone back-forth for a while. There have been times when Porsche is on top, and times when Nissan finishes first. It will likely continue that way.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 24, 2008 6:28 am) Am I living in a parallel universe to yours? This has gone back and forth for awhile? The reason that this was such big news was because it was the first time that a Nissan had allegedly beaten the Porsche. Not the umpteenth time, but the first. So, I guess when you say sometimes Porsche is on top and sometimes Nissan is on top, that means ALL the times but once the Porsche has been on top. Right? Just trying to clarify. And that one time where Nissan was on top was hasn't been substantiated by Porsche engineers. Okay. Nice post.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 24, 2008 6:28 am)  You can't repeatedly launch a PDK over and over. You have to drive about 1.5 miles before you're able to use the launch feature again. That is how Porsche has made sure that you don't overheat the oil. Pretty smart huh? GT3 with PDK? I have heard of no such thing. Internet rumors? I have not seen any issues with the '09 PDK's coming back. It seems that perhaps one owner had a problem. Fair enough, but that in no way mirrors the GT-R problems. The owners were obviously NOT aware that launching repeatedly would void the warranty or else they wouldn't have done it. Uninformed salespeople selling to uninformed customers. |
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 24, 2008 6:53 am) Same kind of thing now - the GT-R laps the 'Ring at 7:54, very close to the 2009 Carerra S at 7:50, but the 911 is apparently a much better handler. As for Nissan having a 911 competitor in the past, I never got the memo on that one... |
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 24, 2008 6:53 am) No, you live in the same universe, you're just constantly confused. The reason this was big news is it was the first time the car with a reputation for being faster than a 911 was hitting the US. The Skyline GT-R actually spent more time 'on top' in the 90's. When Nissan released the R32, Porsche had nothing in production that was 'Nissan fast'. When the R33 hit Europe, Porsche did not have an answer until the 996. As for Nissan having a 911 competitor in the past, I never got the memo on that one... Then again, maybe you guys do live in a parallel universe, because all us here in reality did get the memo. You seem to be ready to accept any internet rumor. Porsche's claim about the GT-R is what can't be substantiated. Every independent tester agrees its 'Porsche fast' or better. The GT-R 'laps' the Nurburgring at a variety of times in the hands of different drivers, but achieved a best time of 7:29. Okay. Nice posts. Not.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 24, 2008 8:25 am) Prove it. Show me somewhere that the world cared more about what NISSAN was doing over Porsche. Please! Prove it and I'll stop posting here forever. Porsche's claim about the GT-R is what can't be substantiated. Except by Porsche..... who is all that really matters. Seriously, get a grip on your inner fanboy. It's a Nissan and it grabbed headlines because Nissan cooked up a meal that you're eating buffet style. Get a grip. Nice post. |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 24, 2008 8:25 am)  http://www.need4speed.ws/video-390.html More of the same. Yawn. This is getting tiring almost.  Its no wonder Porsche is embarrased enough to make up stories.  The Turbo doesn't stand a snowball's chance against the GT-R anywhere in the world its been tested by a third party, and certainly not the Carrera S. Keep dreaming. LOL!
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Very interesting review from same driver, same-day 997TT vs. stock GT-R. http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25007 Owning both cars simultaneously, I guess he would know. |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 24, 2008 8:52 am) Didn't you see this? Nissan lied about their time. The Porsche is apparently much faster. |
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Replying to: lemmer (Oct 24, 2008 10:01 am) The Porsche 911TT is slower on any track in the world. Yup, that includes the Nurburgring. There's even GPS data FROM A TURBO OWNER that I referred to. I suppose you didn't read it so I'll put it here for you. He said: Conclusion: Stock for Stock, the 997TT HAS NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER versus a stock GT-R. A bit redundant, but I guess he really wanted to get the point across.
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