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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: skarie (Oct 17, 2008 1:57 pm) Now that would be something special, do i hear 800HP .......that would be frightening. Porsche already has a Boxster, i dont see the need for that car Would it be totally blashphemous to say that I dont find the boxer aesthetically appealing at all? I've been in love with the faux hatchback look of the 944 for some time.
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 16, 2008 6:15 pm) The paragraph that follows is full of interesting facts, but, other than the GTR name and Godzilla nickname, I still suspect that the Nissan GTR is being percieved as a "new" car by most US customers. Unless I'm really stuck in an alternate universe, I do not believe the Nissan GTR in the form being sold here in the US has been previously available in Japan or elsewhere. But even I am pressed to remember the relevance of this issue, so I will leave it rest.
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 17, 2008 6:43 pm) Would it be blashphemous of me to admit that my first new car was a 1978 Datsun B210GX hatchback and my first "sports car" was a 1984 Toyota Supra hatchback? I'm not sure what is "faux" about the 944's hatchback, but there is some appeal to that look and functionality. On the other hand, the mid engine Boxster and Cayman will run circles around the front engine rear hatch layout, so there are performance trade-offs.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 18, 2008 6:08 am) That is probably best tack to take as my initial view of the argument was over the lineage of the car and how while the Infiniti (I spelled it right!) G35 was viewed as the american Skyline/GT-R/whatever when it was in no way the same car beyond the rolling chassis and exterior cosmetics. Alas I apologize for helping everything in this thread get hopelessly skewed over semantics. .......I'm also bitter as hell as car that a car that cost around 60k in Japan and was pegged as it's take on muscle cars AND looked fearsome as hell (IMO), finally comes to my country where I can easily get my hands on it (relatively speaking) and it is instead being pegged as a supercar to compete with Porsche of all people It's no longer running the RB engine series and......I just thought of this analogy this morning and it made me laugh so what the hell.......it looks more like it belongs in the light trailing motorcycle portion of Tron than it does on a highway.......There I said it! I freely admit that I would be better off going through the trouble buying an old R32-34 series and importing it and dealing with the CARB people.........and it costs a lot more than I had expected. |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 18, 2008 6:18 am) I'm a little confused as to the whole hatchback vs. liftback thing, but if the 944 is indeed a hatchback then that is awesome and easier for me and makes it totally faux-less. True all the MR's Porsche puts out now would tear it to pieces, even the 944 Turbo version of it, but I just love the look of the car (Much like the Slant nose (or is it shovel nose) 911 Carreras) despite the performance trade off. As for a Datsun B210 good on ya and 84 Supra.......Damn you. I had an 86 Corolla GTS that I dearly loved before the whole drift thing caught on......imagine my chagrin selling it ten years ago (in relatively good condition) for like $800. Glad we could find some common ground
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 18, 2008 7:52 am) Well prepared 944 Turbos are still terrors on track days. Any stock Boxster or Cayman would be have to be pretty well driven to even stay close to them. |
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Porsche PDK issue. Unresolved. Owner selling car. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=585548&i=0 Covered under warranty, but they couldn't fix the problem. Its almost as if... Porsche's special pattents don't always work out the first time. Teething issues, it happens. Google 'Porsche Rear Main Seal Issues' or check pisonheads.com. The 996 had a plethora of complaints. Those complaining about warranty issues from launching get no sympathy from the rest of the GT-R owners. After reading his/their comments they believe "it was a case of overzealous use by 2 people." This thread explains by the real GT-R owners, as habitat points out are more authoritative than us speculators. http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25624 Whether Porsche or Nissan, there are reports of dual-clutch transmissions being finicky. If you have a  , they'll be covered under warranty. If you launch the Nissan repeatedly while the transmission is hot, they won't cover damage under warranty. These rules are spelled out to owners. However, the GT-R is a similar weight to the M3, and costs about the same. So Nissan should really consider having a warranty as robust as with BMW's DCG. If Porsche is so unimpressed with the GT-R, then why are they in such a hurry to rush the PDK onto the GT3? (if they ever get the transmission noises to quit). Will the PDK save seconds/lap, eventually catching and perhaps passing the GT-R in terms of performance in GT2 and/or GT3 and/or Turbo? Yeah, probably. If history has shown us anything, benchmarking works. But what none of us expected was for Porsche to take this car so seriously. I guess the Nissan has already had its desired effect. There really aren't that many differences in the design philosophy and history. This battle has gone back-forth for a while. There have been times when Porsche is on top, and times when Nissan finishes first. It will likely continue that way.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 24, 2008 6:28 am) Am I living in a parallel universe to yours? This has gone back and forth for awhile? The reason that this was such big news was because it was the first time that a Nissan had allegedly beaten the Porsche. Not the umpteenth time, but the first. So, I guess when you say sometimes Porsche is on top and sometimes Nissan is on top, that means ALL the times but once the Porsche has been on top. Right? Just trying to clarify. And that one time where Nissan was on top was hasn't been substantiated by Porsche engineers. Okay. Nice post.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 24, 2008 6:28 am)  You can't repeatedly launch a PDK over and over. You have to drive about 1.5 miles before you're able to use the launch feature again. That is how Porsche has made sure that you don't overheat the oil. Pretty smart huh? GT3 with PDK? I have heard of no such thing. Internet rumors? I have not seen any issues with the '09 PDK's coming back. It seems that perhaps one owner had a problem. Fair enough, but that in no way mirrors the GT-R problems. The owners were obviously NOT aware that launching repeatedly would void the warranty or else they wouldn't have done it. Uninformed salespeople selling to uninformed customers. |
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 24, 2008 6:53 am) Same kind of thing now - the GT-R laps the 'Ring at 7:54, very close to the 2009 Carerra S at 7:50, but the 911 is apparently a much better handler. As for Nissan having a 911 competitor in the past, I never got the memo on that one... |
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